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Date: 11 Oct 2005 20:03:07
From: Rick
Subject: green Moss
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I have some green hairy type moss/algae growing in my tank. It started
about a year ago and now has grown about a 3" diameter. My tank and
angel fish /snails/hermits wont eat it, anyone have any suggestion as
to how to remove it. Its grown on my live rock and is diffucult to
remove that rock without moving alot of other rocks that are piled on
top of it.
Any suggestions-
THKS/Rick
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Date: 15 Oct 2005 18:52:09
From: Reptoreef
Subject: re:green Moss
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I'm sorry you feel that way... anyone else???
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Date: 15 Oct 2005 05:52:11
From: Reptoreef
Subject: re:green Moss
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Good point Dave... we can all do it together, both hobbyists and
biologists. Lets learn from one another. Now, this subject has gotten
old... lets drop it.
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Date: 15 Oct 2005 01:52:10
From: davejnz
Subject: re:green Moss
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> Also, all over the world aquarium hobbyists are seen as just that.
Go to
> the Biological Abstracts and count the papers published all over the
world
> on the topic by hobbyists (don't need but one hand to count and that
is to
> make a zero)
>
Hobbyists are the ones that have advanced the methods of
reefkeeping.Through yrs of experience and trying alternative
methods,coral husbandry has came a long way because of us.We have
helped E.Borneman who's a hobbyist as well as a biologist to
document/report polyp extrusion as a form of asexual reproduction
with corals belonging to the Scleractinia order.Through the help of
hobbyists,he has organized a project/study to find a causitive
pathogen that has been killing Catalaphyllia jardenei over the past
few years.We were the first to report a parasitic copepod known in
the hobby as "red bugs" that only affect Acropora spp.There is much
that a ine biologist could learn if he spent less time in the
books and more time actually keeping these animals.Fortunately,there
are some in your profession that value us hobbyists and are willing
to work together to advance coral husbandry/reefkeeping.
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Date: 14 Oct 2005 18:52:17
From: Beginner Reefer
Subject: re:green Moss
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#ed_op#DIV#ed_cl#i had a hair alge outbreak, i cut my lights back and
added a few more snails and now the problem is
fixed!!!#ed_op#/DIV#ed_cl#
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Date: 14 Oct 2005 15:52:19
From: Reptoreef
Subject: re:green Moss
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Ok, enough arguing of who's d&@k is bigger or who's better at
what... we all agree that there's more than 1 approach to a
successful reef. How about we get back to discussing our tanks,
suggestions, and questions. BTW, ine biology is the study of
ine life... that happens even at home with the "hobbiests".
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Date: 14 Oct 2005 18:04:24
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: green Moss
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Reptoreef wrote:
> ine biology is the study of
> ine life... that happens even at home with the "hobbiests".
That's right. And there is nothing like bringing it home
for better observation. And of course observing it in it's
native environment is also very important.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com
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Date: 14 Oct 2005 19:41:26
From: Jaime R-S
Subject: Re: green Moss
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Wao! that was deep!
jrs
"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com > wrote in message
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> Reptoreef wrote:
>> ine biology is the study of
>> ine life... that happens even at home with the "hobbiests".
>
> That's right. And there is nothing like bringing it home for better
> observation. And of course observing it in it's native environment is also
> very important.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne@WayneSallee.com
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Date: 14 Oct 2005 13:32:13
From: Jaime R-S
Subject: Re: re:green Moss
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Agree!
"Reptoreef" <jcbgrange@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid > wrote in message
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> Ok, enough arguing of who's d&@k is bigger or who's better at
> what... we all agree that there's more than 1 approach to a
> successful reef. How about we get back to discussing our tanks,
> suggestions, and questions. BTW, ine biology is the study of
> ine life... that happens even at home with the "hobbiests".
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Date: 13 Oct 2005 18:22:18
From: Reptoreef
Subject: re:green Moss
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Rest assured that we at CaptiveReefing.com make absolutely no profits.
I moderate that board only because I was invited to do so. I too
believe in the ecosystem, but feel there is more than one method.
Honestly, I am a prior LFS owner and just gotta say that it was one
of the hardest jobs ever!!! I really enjoy being able to chitchat and
share my views of captive reefing as well as to learn from others. I
do understand the sarcazm and understand the frustrations, as well.
No hard feelings.
Jason
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Date: 13 Oct 2005 14:52:11
From: dakar
Subject: Re: green Moss
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> I have begun converting one of the cheeto tanks into a GHA farm.
That
> stuff seems very efficient at removing all bad things in its path.
> I wonder what light spectrum will make it grow faster...
For GHA lower kelvin lamps seen to do well for growth... the power
compact floodlamps running @ 2900K seem to grow it well for me,
especially as they age, the seem to be shifting further down and the
hair algae in one of my refuges is taking off like mad. On the plus
side as you mentioned from what I can see it is great for taking up
nutrients, nitrates on that system mormally hovered around 10-20ppm
but over the last couple of months since the GHA started growing
faster they are holding at 0-2ppm. More natural filtration, so long
as it's in the refuge who cares?
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Date: 13 Oct 2005 05:22:11
From: Reptoreef
Subject: re:green Moss
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You seem to be knowledgable, however, with a closed mind reguarding
other aquarists(aka kids), I am disappointed. There are absolutely no
real experts in the subject of ine Biology. Really, we are all
novice with some having more experience than others. I am well
aquainted with other "ine biologists" that would advise other
methods... please, be careful for there are alot of inquiring persons
looking for answers to their problems. And as far as "pet store
books"... the majority of those quality books are written by those
with an extensive amount of experience with "ine biology". Just my
2 cents... there realy is no one solution.
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Date: 13 Oct 2005 07:51:51
From: Jaime R-S
Subject: Re: re:green Moss
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I agree with you and apologize for my sarcasm.
Is just that I am tired of reading barbarisms in those books knowing that
their main purpose is to draw blood, I mean money, from aficionados.
A saltwater aquarium is nothing but an enclosed piece of the ocean and if
you treat it otherwise, is not going to behave like such.
I hope you understand that I am trying to be helpful in a way that people
benefit from it.
In the other hand, you have a comercial website in your signature meaning
that you benefit from the mainstream, which I find wrong, way of treating
aquariums.
Who is the regular reader going to belief?
A person with economical interests or the person that has nothing to win or
loose?
Be your own judge!
Yes, there are ine bios that have a price and write those books, I don't!
jrs
"Reptoreef" <jcbgrange@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid > wrote in message
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> You seem to be knowledgable, however, with a closed mind reguarding
> other aquarists(aka kids), I am disappointed. There are absolutely no
> real experts in the subject of ine Biology. Really, we are all
> novice with some having more experience than others. I am well
> aquainted with other "ine biologists" that would advise other
> methods... please, be careful for there are alot of inquiring persons
> looking for answers to their problems. And as far as "pet store
> books"... the majority of those quality books are written by those
> with an extensive amount of experience with "ine biology". Just my
> 2 cents... there realy is no one solution.
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Date: 13 Oct 2005 15:17:34
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: green Moss
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> In the other hand, you have a comercial website in your signature meaning
> that you benefit from the mainstream, which I find wrong, way of treating
> aquariums.
>
>
LOL There are a lot of people that call themselves
biologists, and think they understand aquariums, but
becaue they have had limited experience in actualy having
the aquarium setups like many hobbiest, they don't fully
understand how things work, even though they in thier
smugg thinking, think they know it all.
Who are they going to believe, Someone that thinks he
knows everything, or someone who has had lots of actual
experience whith what they ar working with.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Wayne@WaynesPets.com
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Date: 14 Oct 2005 11:10:47
From: Jaime R-S
Subject: Re: green Moss
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We already know who they belief, I was just being sarcastic.
They don't hire aquarists to maintain the aquariums in Seaworld, Miami
Aquarium or any other sea related theme park for a reason!
Also, all over the world aquarium hobbyists are seen as just that. Go to
the Biological Abstracts and count the papers published all over the world
on the topic by hobbyists (don't need but one hand to count and that is to
make a zero)
Yeap, you can keep spending your time and money using the HOBBYISTS
approach, lol....
Biologists, we don't know everything and that has never been our claim. We
know a lot more than a hobbyist, that is a fact Jack, not a guess.
jrs
"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com > wrote in message
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>
>
>> In the other hand, you have a comercial website in your signature meaning
>> that you benefit from the mainstream, which I find wrong, way of treating
>> aquariums.
>>
>
> LOL There are a lot of people that call themselves biologists, and think
> they understand aquariums, but becaue they have had limited experience in
> actualy having the aquarium setups like many hobbiest, they don't fully
> understand how things work, even though they in thier smugg thinking,
> think they know it all.
>
> Who are they going to believe, Someone that thinks he knows everything, or
> someone who has had lots of actual experience whith what they ar working
> with.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
> Wayne@WaynesPets.com
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Date: 12 Oct 2005 09:12:33
From: kryppy
Subject: Re: green Moss
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On 11 Oct 2005 20:03:07 -0700, "Rick" <rickleathers@sbcglobal.net >
wrote:
>I have some green hairy type moss/algae growing in my tank. It started
>about a year ago and now has grown about a 3" diameter. My tank and
>angel fish /snails/hermits wont eat it, anyone have any suggestion as
>to how to remove it. Its grown on my live rock and is diffucult to
>remove that rock without moving alot of other rocks that are piled on
>top of it.
I had an outbreak start about two months ago. I have seriously cut
back the lights and it is almost gone now.
The funny thing is, anywhere it grew well and is gone now has massive
coralline growth. I suppose it sucked the phosphates out of the rocks.
Removing it manually has proved to be a difficult task I am avoiding.
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Date: 12 Oct 2005 20:26:42
From: Jaime R-S
Subject: Re: green Moss
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Interesting approach!
Green moss, or any plant for what matters, are perfect nutrient removal life
forms.
I suggest you learn how to use them instead of fearing them.
Cutting back the light is dangerous because your coral needs it, do you know
why?
I took another approach. I did my research on the species I have in my tank
and found a hervibore that feeds on it. It is not an easy task but you will
find an invertebrate that feed on "your" algae. A "trial an error" may
result a little expensive and time consuming but may also work.
You have to find the proper number of the species that will control the
algae on your tank.
Once you start treating your tank as an ecosystem, it will behave like one
thus reducing the unwanted and expensive maintenance.
I have a good book you can refer to, the only problem is that I have a
translation. Here is the citation...
Dawes, Clinton J. 1991. INE BOTANY. John Wiley and Sons Inc. 673 pp
(there should be a new edition for this book)
There are many text books you can find in any university. This books will
be specific to plants helping you identify your pest. Knowing the proper
species and finding its life history will be crucial in species selection to
turn your tank into a micro-ecosystem.
A typical aquarist, well, these kids will put their hands inside the tank
breaking the nature of an ecosystem and removing it by hand. That is a
no-no...
Pet Shop books? well, they are good for ine aquarists that can't help it
but to spend a lot of money in their systems. Me? I am a ine biologist,
I go to the university's library. It is free and helps you understand
better your system.
jrs
"kryppy" <kryppy@. > wrote in message
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> On 11 Oct 2005 20:03:07 -0700, "Rick" <rickleathers@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>I have some green hairy type moss/algae growing in my tank. It started
>>about a year ago and now has grown about a 3" diameter. My tank and
>>angel fish /snails/hermits wont eat it, anyone have any suggestion as
>>to how to remove it. Its grown on my live rock and is diffucult to
>>remove that rock without moving alot of other rocks that are piled on
>>top of it.
>
>
> I had an outbreak start about two months ago. I have seriously cut
> back the lights and it is almost gone now.
> The funny thing is, anywhere it grew well and is gone now has massive
> coralline growth. I suppose it sucked the phosphates out of the rocks.
>
> Removing it manually has proved to be a difficult task I am avoiding.
>
>
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Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:41:32
From: kryppy
Subject: Re: green Moss
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:26:42 -0400, "Jaime R-S"
<cheoartesano@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Interesting approach!
>
>Green moss, or any plant for what matters, are perfect nutrient removal life
>forms.
>I suggest you learn how to use them instead of fearing them.
LOL, I don't fear it! I have a few decorator crabs that love it, and
some giant turbo snails that devour it.
>Cutting back the light is dangerous because your coral needs it, do you know
>why?
Of course, but I am simulating very cloudly days to knock back its
growth.
>I took another approach. I did my research on the species I have in my tank
>and found a hervibore that feeds on it. It is not an easy task but you will
>find an invertebrate that feed on "your" algae. A "trial an error" may
>result a little expensive and time consuming but may also work.
>You have to find the proper number of the species that will control the
>algae on your tank.
>
>Once you start treating your tank as an ecosystem, it will behave like one
>thus reducing the unwanted and expensive maintenance.
My tank is as close to a natural eco system I can duplicate in my
living room.
I have 16 mangroves removing junk, as well as two ten gallon tanks
plumbed in I grow out cheeto in.
I have begun converting one of the cheeto tanks into a GHA farm. That
stuff seems very efficient at removing all bad things in its path.
I wonder what light spectrum will make it grow faster...
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Date: 12 Oct 2005 03:52:08
From: graphixx22
Subject: re:green Moss
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as far as algae if its hair algae you can get a few more snails and
try increasing your flow. and Lawn Mower blenny works awesome too.
but you will want to get a leg up on it. Just like Repto said remove
as much manually as you can.
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Date: 12 Oct 2005 03:52:06
From: Reptoreef
Subject: re:green Moss
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Pull what you can away by hand then while syphoning(preferrably during
a water change) use a toothbrush to scrub what you can away. You may
have to use tweezers or another similar tool if you have a hard time
removing the algae by hand.... IMO, Briopsis if it's totally
undesirable by the fish. Good luck.
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