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Date: 06 Jan 2007 20:36:21
From: Gill Passman
Subject: New tank options
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Hi All,
Having played with my 60L Nano tank for a while I'm chomping at the bit
to get more.....I acquired a 25L tank and put it in the Conservatory and
it had the desired effect from hubby - "looks silly - no point you may
as well go bigger".....It's quite a big corner area....it is surrounded
by windows backing onto it but I'm figuring that with a decent tank
backing this won't be as much of an issue as it would be facing the
glass - and the windows do have blinds....in fact algae isn't too bad on
my two freshwater tanks in there that actually get the full blast of the
sunlight.....Hubby reckons we should get a corner, bowed front tank and
I'm not adverse to the idea (can already picture the design with LR and
corals)....I've done a little googling and probably the closest is the
Rena 350 Bowed but my concern is that this would need some customising
if I wanted a sump etc....now, my LFS will get me a custom built tank -
they already did this with my 6 footer freshwater tank and I was very
happy with the quality of the work....but what I'm wondering is if
anyone knows of a factory built tank that would serve the purpose just
as well - kind of like the rena but with the holes drilled and the
sump.....this way I can either take the off the shelf route or get one
custom built with the ability to do cost comparisons....
TIA
Gill
PS the 25L will still become a Nano - just need to tidy my desk and do
some filing to make room for it....
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Date: 06 Jan 2007 16:22:00
From: Tristan
Subject: Re: New tank options
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Well I guess its all a matter of personal choice but I for one have
never been a big fan of bow fronts and even less a hex or corner tank.
They just do not seem to lemnd themselves to much without going
through a lot of hoops toget good full coverage when it comes to
lights as factory hoods are pretty much pityfull. Its doable but the
radius leaves a lot to be desired for me anyhow. Then again if its
all I can fit in the spot I would rather have it than none....Not
familiar with the Rena, but if its anyhting like the AGA bowfronts,
the best thing I have done so far with my smaller bowfronts wa to
break em down and sell em off. Even cleaning the front curved glass is
more of a pain than regular flat pane is. Just my personal observation
with BF tanks. Even the LFS here in this region anyhow rarely if ever
stock a bowfront as they just do not sel like a cube or rectangular
shaped tank does, and lots of off the shelf stuff does not work as
well or fit. Probbaly with a freshwater it may be a different story
as regular OEM strip lights etc are sufficient for most setups.
Black paiant does wonders on the back of a tank to eliminate any
light infiltration and also add contrast to corals and fish. I have
seen some unique color patters applied to backs of tanks from air
brushing coraline to live rocks to solid colors to colors applied with
a sponge and mottled and all look pretty darn good and were efective
at eliminateing light infiltration etc.
I take it when you say 60L or 25L your referring to liters right?
Whatever tank you go with I would look for one that comes predrilled
and add a sump under it in the stand. Are AGA or Oceanic tanks
available in the UK?
On Sat, 06 2007 20:36:21 +0000, Gill Passman
<gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk > wrote:
<< >>Hi All,
<< >>
<< >>Having played with my 60L Nano tank for a while I'm chomping at the bit
<< >>to get more.....I acquired a 25L tank and put it in the Conservatory and
<< >>it had the desired effect from hubby - "looks silly - no point you may
<< >>as well go bigger".....It's quite a big corner area....it is surrounded
<< >>by windows backing onto it but I'm figuring that with a decent tank
<< >>backing this won't be as much of an issue as it would be facing the
<< >>glass - and the windows do have blinds....in fact algae isn't too bad on
<< >>my two freshwater tanks in there that actually get the full blast of the
<< >>sunlight.....Hubby reckons we should get a corner, bowed front tank and
<< >>I'm not adverse to the idea (can already picture the design with LR and
<< >>corals)....I've done a little googling and probably the closest is the
<< >>Rena 350 Bowed but my concern is that this would need some customising
<< >>if I wanted a sump etc....now, my LFS will get me a custom built tank -
<< >>they already did this with my 6 footer freshwater tank and I was very
<< >>happy with the quality of the work....but what I'm wondering is if
<< >>anyone knows of a factory built tank that would serve the purpose just
<< >>as well - kind of like the rena but with the holes drilled and the
<< >>sump.....this way I can either take the off the shelf route or get one
<< >>custom built with the ability to do cost comparisons....
<< >>
<< >>TIA
<< >>Gill
<< >>
<< >>PS the 25L will still become a Nano - just need to tidy my desk and do
<< >>some filing to make room for it....
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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 17:00:08
From: Gill Passman
Subject: Re: New tank options
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Tristan wrote:
> Well I guess its all a matter of personal choice but I for one have
> never been a big fan of bow fronts and even less a hex or corner tank.
> They just do not seem to lemnd themselves to much without going
> through a lot of hoops toget good full coverage when it comes to
> lights as factory hoods are pretty much pityfull. Its doable but the
> radius leaves a lot to be desired for me anyhow. Then again if its
> all I can fit in the spot I would rather have it than none....
It is in fact the only option other than to tear down my 4 foot FW tank
which I don't want to do - partly for sentimental reasons - it was my
first (other than the one we bought for my son)....
> Probbaly with a freshwater it may be a different story
> as regular OEM strip lights etc are sufficient for most setups.
>
Just been to the LFS and there seems to be a possibility that the latest
Hagen range will fit my purpose.....the only had the bow front in stock
and not the corner tank yet but hope to have some in sooon. The tank is
predrilled which is a plus - but this is for hiding the filter tubing -
but they seemed to think it was a possibility for adaptation for fitting
a sump - of course cabinet space would become a factor in the size of
the sump.....The hood is already set up for T5s which is a plus....not
sure how many though. It comes in either a 190Litre or 350Litre size
(the 350 equates to around 96 IMP galls so would be my preferred
option)...Just in case anyone is interested the tank is a Hagen Venezia 350.
> Black paiant does wonders on the back of a tank to eliminate any
> light infiltration and also add contrast to corals and fish. I have
> seen some unique color patters applied to backs of tanks from air
> brushing coraline to live rocks to solid colors to colors applied with
> a sponge and mottled and all look pretty darn good and were efective
> at eliminateing light infiltration etc.
Not sure I'm artistic enough to paint anything on the side/back of the
tank - I've not actually had much problem with the laminate type
backings - the Nano has a plain blue backing - the reverse side is black...
>
> I take it when you say 60L or 25L your referring to liters right?
>
> Whatever tank you go with I would look for one that comes predrilled
> and add a sump under it in the stand. Are AGA or Oceanic tanks
> available in the UK?
Probably but almost certainly under a different brand name - the only
result on a UK google search I get for AGA aquariums is Hagen....
Gill
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 11:22:07
From: Tristan
Subject: Re: New tank options
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Hagen.....hmmm..... interesting. Never ever heard of a Hagen tank here
although their aquarium products are very popular. I think what
really woul dbe my deciding factor on a bow or corner is teh most
light that can possibly be added stock from a factory if non-diy type
or space in hood if DIY type so additonal can be added, which is
almost a necessary item if its gonna be a reef, as there just do not
seem to be sufficient lights installed in any factory made
hoods...Guess its not that there is not any room as much as its a
price thing and everyone is different in regards to amount and type
and brand of lights they want / need.
On Sun, 07 2007 17:00:08 +0000, Gill Passman
<gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk > wrote:
<< >>Tristan wrote:
<< >>> Well I guess its all a matter of personal choice but I for one have
<< >>> never been a big fan of bow fronts and even less a hex or corner tank.
<< >>> They just do not seem to lemnd themselves to much without going
<< >>> through a lot of hoops toget good full coverage when it comes to
<< >>> lights as factory hoods are pretty much pityfull. Its doable but the
<< >>> radius leaves a lot to be desired for me anyhow. Then again if its
<< >>> all I can fit in the spot I would rather have it than none....
<< >>
<< >>It is in fact the only option other than to tear down my 4 foot FW tank
<< >>which I don't want to do - partly for sentimental reasons - it was my
<< >>first (other than the one we bought for my son)....
<< >>
<< >>> Probbaly with a freshwater it may be a different story
<< >>> as regular OEM strip lights etc are sufficient for most setups.
<< >>>
<< >>
<< >>Just been to the LFS and there seems to be a possibility that the latest
<< >>Hagen range will fit my purpose.....the only had the bow front in stock
<< >>and not the corner tank yet but hope to have some in sooon. The tank is
<< >>predrilled which is a plus - but this is for hiding the filter tubing -
<< >>but they seemed to think it was a possibility for adaptation for fitting
<< >>a sump - of course cabinet space would become a factor in the size of
<< >>the sump.....The hood is already set up for T5s which is a plus....not
<< >>sure how many though. It comes in either a 190Litre or 350Litre size
<< >>(the 350 equates to around 96 IMP galls so would be my preferred
<< >>option)...Just in case anyone is interested the tank is a Hagen Venezia 350.
<< >>
<< >>
<< >>> Black paiant does wonders on the back of a tank to eliminate any
<< >>> light infiltration and also add contrast to corals and fish. I have
<< >>> seen some unique color patters applied to backs of tanks from air
<< >>> brushing coraline to live rocks to solid colors to colors applied with
<< >>> a sponge and mottled and all look pretty darn good and were efective
<< >>> at eliminateing light infiltration etc.
<< >>
<< >>Not sure I'm artistic enough to paint anything on the side/back of the
<< >>tank - I've not actually had much problem with the laminate type
<< >>backings - the Nano has a plain blue backing - the reverse side is black...
<< >>>
<< >>> I take it when you say 60L or 25L your referring to liters right?
<< >>>
<< >>> Whatever tank you go with I would look for one that comes predrilled
<< >>> and add a sump under it in the stand. Are AGA or Oceanic tanks
<< >>> available in the UK?
<< >>
<< >>Probably but almost certainly under a different brand name - the only
<< >>result on a UK google search I get for AGA aquariums is Hagen....
<< >>
<< >>Gill
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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 18:27:52
From: Gill Passman
Subject: Re: New tank options
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Tristan wrote:
>
> Hagen.....hmmm..... interesting. Never ever heard of a Hagen tank here
> although their aquarium products are very popular.
Over here we see Hagen products marketed under Hagen, Fluval and
Nutrafin (and I may well have missed some) - I'd be very suprised if
they didn't also sell tanks in the US but not suprised if it is under a
different trade name....I've got 3 Hagen tanks and have been very happy
with them....
> I think what
> really woul dbe my deciding factor on a bow or corner is teh most
> light that can possibly be added stock from a factory if non-diy type
> or space in hood if DIY type so additonal can be added, which is
> almost a necessary item if its gonna be a reef, as there just do not
> seem to be sufficient lights installed in any factory made
> hoods...Guess its not that there is not any room as much as its a
> price thing and everyone is different in regards to amount and type
> and brand of lights they want / need.
>
I need to look at the lighting side in more depth....they didn't have
the tank in question in stock yet or any marketing bumph/specs - I can't
even find it on the web yet. They had a marketing display which I'm sure
gave the specs but I assumed I would find the info on the web so didn't
note any of it down....however the guys there seemed to think it was a
good bet and they have some very experienced marine/reef folks
there....I guess we can do mods to the lighting if necessary - I'd like
some moonlights in there anyway so we'll have to....
Gill
>
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 13:16:20
From: Tristan
Subject: Re: New tank options
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YOU can pretty well fit moon lights in a thimble, however fitting
other lights like MH or PC for example to giv eusfficient light for
corals may be a bigger problem. Look at how many watts stock hood has
and available space in regards to dimensions available in terms of
open space that additional lights could be installed and possibly a
fan or two.
On Sun, 07 2007 18:27:52 +0000, Gill Passman
<gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk > wrote:
<< >>Tristan wrote:
<< >>>
<< >>> Hagen.....hmmm..... interesting. Never ever heard of a Hagen tank here
<< >>> although their aquarium products are very popular.
<< >>
<< >>Over here we see Hagen products marketed under Hagen, Fluval and
<< >>Nutrafin (and I may well have missed some) - I'd be very suprised if
<< >>they didn't also sell tanks in the US but not suprised if it is under a
<< >>different trade name....I've got 3 Hagen tanks and have been very happy
<< >>with them....
<< >>
<< >>
<< >>> I think what
<< >>> really woul dbe my deciding factor on a bow or corner is teh most
<< >>> light that can possibly be added stock from a factory if non-diy type
<< >>> or space in hood if DIY type so additonal can be added, which is
<< >>> almost a necessary item if its gonna be a reef, as there just do not
<< >>> seem to be sufficient lights installed in any factory made
<< >>> hoods...Guess its not that there is not any room as much as its a
<< >>> price thing and everyone is different in regards to amount and type
<< >>> and brand of lights they want / need.
<< >>>
<< >>
<< >>I need to look at the lighting side in more depth....they didn't have
<< >>the tank in question in stock yet or any marketing bumph/specs - I can't
<< >>even find it on the web yet. They had a marketing display which I'm sure
<< >>gave the specs but I assumed I would find the info on the web so didn't
<< >>note any of it down....however the guys there seemed to think it was a
<< >>good bet and they have some very experienced marine/reef folks
<< >>there....I guess we can do mods to the lighting if necessary - I'd like
<< >>some moonlights in there anyway so we'll have to....
<< >>
<< >>Gill
<< >>
<< >>
<< >>>
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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 01:48:19
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: New tank options
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"Tristan" <tristansaintjohn@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:3lh2q2tm38dgmvf8i18orp0jbfvditoefa@4ax.com...
>> Here ~Roy "Tristan" Hauer admits he has and will use Hipcrime.
> "~Roy" (Hauer)<Lákáwáná@Invalid.Invalid> wrote in message
> news:448adc3d.20924383@news.west.earthlink.net...
>> Lone Gunman
>>
>> Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
>> have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
>> liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
>> library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
>> something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
>> I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
>> manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
>> mission so perhaps now there is a need......
>>
>>
>> \Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
>> somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
>> Just Roy
Here Roy "Tristan" Hauer caught in the act forging
header..........................
>> How Roy Hauer illegally forges headers: >>
http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
From: Koi-Lo aka Roy Hauer<carol.gulley@hitb.troll >
Message-ID: <MPG.704165d346a5@230.241.75.3 >
Newsgroups: rec.ponds,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Subject: Re: we call the difficult bandage
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2006 02:32:23 GMT
X-No-Archive: Yes
User-Agent: HipCrimes NewsAgent (Roy)
Organization: Usenet Zone http://www.usenetzone.com Free Usenet Binary
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 13:52:40
From: Add Homonym
Subject: Re: New tank options
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Hunter wrote:
> http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
>
>
> From: Koi-Lo aka Roy Hauer<carol.gulley@hitb.troll>
> Message-ID: <MPG.704165d346a5@230.241.75.3>
> Newsgroups: rec.ponds,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
> Subject: Re: we call the difficult bandage
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2006 02:32:23 GMT
> X-No-Archive: Yes
> User-Agent: HipCrimes NewsAgent (Roy)
> Organization: Usenet Zone http://www.usenetzone.com Free Usenet Binary
>
>
Nice try. But I can assure everyone that newsagent (the name of the
software is not "hipcrime" - that is the nym of it's author) does not
default to setting the http user agent to "hipcrimes newsagent (Roy)" -
the only way it would display that is if someone specifically enetered
that. Obviously someone deliberately u sing newsagent to disrupt is not
going to deliberately tell it to put something in the header that will
identify him.
Secondly, my news server, and google groups as well, have no record of
any post with a message ID of <MPG.704165d346a5@230.241.75.3 >
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 20:28:53
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Naoni=A9?=
Subject: Re: New tank options
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"Tristan" <tristansaintjohn@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:iqf8q2dglg96mkg0cjet9s14i1jccpfqo6@4ax.com...
Still trolling old granny Carol eh..... Tristan?
Are you ever a freaking dense dumbass carol. You do not see what you
read and you do not hear what is said, and you do not really
comprehend what you think you do...........your just plain freaking
ignorant.
What was posted is if there was sufficient interest and folks, he
would implement a chat pond forum.......if not move the hell on and go
elsewhere. sheesh what a freaking dumbasss you are carol.........I
have rocks in my driveway with more smarts than you have. remember Carol
rpm bye bye bye carol
> Better get your rest, I know yu will be up all night now spamming and
> trashing the marine reef group like you have done every night now for
> a couple of days, whenever anyone posts anyhting negative in regards
> to you. Your still a minor leage jerkoff carol and an ignorant one at
> that.
>
> bye bye carol oh ignorant one! Soon your center stage and spot light
> wil be turned off and you have no place to hang out and gleen
> attention from ....... too bad!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 9 2007 19:22:55 -0600, Zëbulon <invalid@mailinator.com>
> wrote:
>
> <<>>
> <<>>"BoyPete" <petcrow@lineone.net> wrote in message
> <<>>news:50id2sF1fvblvU1@mid.individual.net...
> <<>>>A 'friendlier' possibility may exist. Room for pond friendships and
> OT <<>>>natter.
> <<>>>
> http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=29259&page=1#pid252792
> <<>>>
> <<>>=====================
> <<>>I logged in but was unable to find anything pertaining to ponds or
> fish. <<>>When it's set up let me know, or was it there and I missed it?
>
>
>
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> I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
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