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Date: 10 Jun 2006 19:57:12
From: rorybrownbeard@gmail.com
Subject: Clown newb
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Hey guys my girlfriend and I are thinking about getting a clownfish for
our aqaurium. At the moment we have only had goldfish and the like, but
he have a 10 gallon aquarium that was recently vacated by the loss of a
baby chameleon (long story that involved us being ripped off by an
online dealer). What are some tips when buying and taking care of a
clownfish? My girlfriend tells me that they are easy to take care of
but I want to make sure it is something that we can handle.
Rory
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 15:13:18
From: rorybrownbeard@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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I'm glad all of you are giving me this information! This is really
helping me out in the decision making. We went down to the Meijer today
and they had 29-gal tanks for just over $35. This is going to be a very
involving hobby. I'm gonna go to the bookstore this weekend and try to
get a book on the reefs, hopefully that will also help some.
Thanks all!
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 08:28:55
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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On 16 Jun 2006 15:13:18 -0700, "rorybrownbeard@gmail.com"
<rorybrownbeard@gmail.com > wrote:
> I'm gonna go to the bookstore this weekend and try to
>get a book on the reefs, hopefully that will also help some.
Take a look at the books by Delbeek and Sprung, "The Reef Aquarium"
series, not the cheapest but should be owned by anyone doing this
hobby I think!
Steve
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 05:54:43
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Steve" <steve@deletethissjwilliams.com > wrote in message news:nqe792pja2i4gu2dvio4j77hn19ffl59bu@4ax.com...
> On 16 Jun 2006 15:13:18 -0700, "rorybrownbeard@gmail.com"
> <rorybrownbeard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm gonna go to the bookstore this weekend and try to
>>get a book on the reefs, hopefully that will also help some.
>
> Take a look at the books by Delbeek and Sprung, "The Reef Aquarium"
> series, not the cheapest but should be owned by anyone doing this
> hobby I think!
Or the series of "The Modern Coral Reef Aquarium" by Svein Fossa.
You could catch some used copy cheap at eBay.com/Amazon.com.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 01:42:16
From: RubenD
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Saltwater tanks are more than a HOBBIE, they are a PROJECT.
Here is my advice, get a 30G TANK or bigger. You'll need to get SAND and
LIVE ROCK which are necessary for biological filtration.
The thumb rule is 1 pound per gallon.
Get a CANISTER FILTER, in my opinion they are a must.
Get SALT for ine aquarium, you'll need a HYDROMETER to measure the
specific gravity when salt is added to water.
A HEATER is also necessary.
Put a couple of DAMSELS ($4 each) to start the cycling. Some people say the
rock itself will take care of it but the fish waste help to speed it up.
Others say CRABS are more hardy and do the same job.
Expect some fish losses during the cycle.
To cycle the tank (develop a biological filter, beneficial bacteria that
turn ammonia and nitrites to harmful nitrates) you'll need to wait 4-6 weeks
before you put any clownfish in the tank.
GET A INE TEST KIT. After the 4-6 weeks period test the water,
ammonia/nitrites should be zero, PH should be ~8.2., check the salt level
(hydrometer).
If everything goes right, by then you should be able to add the fish.
Clownfish are happier if you get an anemone. Buy a bubletip they are also
hardy.
Once you get the anemone, you will notice lighting is a big issue and
prices start at $20 for a fluorescent bulb to $1000's on metal halide
lamps/kits. Go for the cheap ones.
Remember this: saltwater tanks are very expensive not only money wise but
also in maintenance. If you don't pay enough attention they will die quick.
Most people spend the money and after a while just give up. They hardly get
10 cents per dollar when they sell it.
Before you get carried away buying equiment, consider this, the average
saltwater tank cost around $50 per gallon:
30 gallons saltwater tank: over $1000.00
to see those $15 clownfish swimming happy: PRICELESS (or is it?..)
Hope this information help you make a decision.
Good luck,
Ruben
<rorybrownbeard@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1149994632.538404.230920@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys my girlfriend and I are thinking about getting a clownfish for
> our aqaurium. At the moment we have only had goldfish and the like, but
> he have a 10 gallon aquarium that was recently vacated by the loss of a
> baby chameleon (long story that involved us being ripped off by an
> online dealer). What are some tips when buying and taking care of a
> clownfish? My girlfriend tells me that they are easy to take care of
> but I want to make sure it is something that we can handle.
>
> Rory
>
>
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 11:10:19
From: deep_end
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Oh dearie me, man. That's put paid to your karma. Better buy the next
airticket out to the Far East, go to the tropical islands and bow to the
damsels underwater.
Oh, and you should stop patronising those LFS that tell you these things
"RubenD" <samotors@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Y%nkg.148336$F_3.116940@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Expect some fish losses during the cycle.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 14:07:08
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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A lot of wrong information in this post.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Wayne@WaynesPets.com
RubenD wrote on 6/15/2006 9:42 PM:
> Saltwater tanks are more than a HOBBIE, they are a PROJECT.
>
> Here is my advice, get a 30G TANK or bigger. You'll need to get SAND and
> LIVE ROCK which are necessary for biological filtration.
> The thumb rule is 1 pound per gallon.
> Get a CANISTER FILTER, in my opinion they are a must.
> Get SALT for ine aquarium, you'll need a HYDROMETER to measure the
> specific gravity when salt is added to water.
> A HEATER is also necessary.
> Put a couple of DAMSELS ($4 each) to start the cycling. Some people say the
> rock itself will take care of it but the fish waste help to speed it up.
> Others say CRABS are more hardy and do the same job.
>
> Expect some fish losses during the cycle.
>
> To cycle the tank (develop a biological filter, beneficial bacteria that
> turn ammonia and nitrites to harmful nitrates) you'll need to wait 4-6 weeks
> before you put any clownfish in the tank.
>
> GET A INE TEST KIT. After the 4-6 weeks period test the water,
> ammonia/nitrites should be zero, PH should be ~8.2., check the salt level
> (hydrometer).
>
> If everything goes right, by then you should be able to add the fish.
> Clownfish are happier if you get an anemone. Buy a bubletip they are also
> hardy.
>
> Once you get the anemone, you will notice lighting is a big issue and
> prices start at $20 for a fluorescent bulb to $1000's on metal halide
> lamps/kits. Go for the cheap ones.
>
> Remember this: saltwater tanks are very expensive not only money wise but
> also in maintenance. If you don't pay enough attention they will die quick.
> Most people spend the money and after a while just give up. They hardly get
> 10 cents per dollar when they sell it.
>
> Before you get carried away buying equiment, consider this, the average
> saltwater tank cost around $50 per gallon:
>
> 30 gallons saltwater tank: over $1000.00
>
> to see those $15 clownfish swimming happy: PRICELESS (or is it?..)
>
> Hope this information help you make a decision.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Ruben
>
>
>
>
> <rorybrownbeard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1149994632.538404.230920@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Hey guys my girlfriend and I are thinking about getting a clownfish for
>> our aqaurium. At the moment we have only had goldfish and the like, but
>> he have a 10 gallon aquarium that was recently vacated by the loss of a
>> baby chameleon (long story that involved us being ripped off by an
>> online dealer). What are some tips when buying and taking care of a
>> clownfish? My girlfriend tells me that they are easy to take care of
>> but I want to make sure it is something that we can handle.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 15:48:05
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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I've cycled a tank with live rock and that was pretty well cured and
aragalive sand. I've had very good luck with this. Ammonia barely spiked.
Was able to add fish after about a week or two. I also, have canister
filters on my 2 saltwater tanks. They do need cleaning frequently to keep
the nitrates low but they also keep the tank really clear. I still have
mixed feelings using canister filters. (my 2 cents worth :))
Susan :)
"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com > wrote in message
news:4492BB06.1020303@WayneSallee.com...
>A lot of wrong information in this post.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
> Wayne@WaynesPets.com
>
>
> RubenD wrote on 6/15/2006 9:42 PM:
>> Saltwater tanks are more than a HOBBIE, they are a PROJECT.
>>
>> Here is my advice, get a 30G TANK or bigger. You'll need to get SAND
>> and
>> LIVE ROCK which are necessary for biological filtration.
>> The thumb rule is 1 pound per gallon.
>> Get a CANISTER FILTER, in my opinion they are a must.
>> Get SALT for ine aquarium, you'll need a HYDROMETER to measure the
>> specific gravity when salt is added to water.
>> A HEATER is also necessary.
>> Put a couple of DAMSELS ($4 each) to start the cycling. Some people say
>> the
>> rock itself will take care of it but the fish waste help to speed it up.
>> Others say CRABS are more hardy and do the same job.
>>
>> Expect some fish losses during the cycle.
>>
>> To cycle the tank (develop a biological filter, beneficial bacteria that
>> turn ammonia and nitrites to harmful nitrates) you'll need to wait 4-6
>> weeks
>> before you put any clownfish in the tank.
>>
>> GET A INE TEST KIT. After the 4-6 weeks period test the water,
>> ammonia/nitrites should be zero, PH should be ~8.2., check the salt
>> level
>> (hydrometer).
>>
>> If everything goes right, by then you should be able to add the fish.
>> Clownfish are happier if you get an anemone. Buy a bubletip they are
>> also
>> hardy.
>>
>> Once you get the anemone, you will notice lighting is a big issue and
>> prices start at $20 for a fluorescent bulb to $1000's on metal halide
>> lamps/kits. Go for the cheap ones.
>>
>> Remember this: saltwater tanks are very expensive not only money wise but
>> also in maintenance. If you don't pay enough attention they will die
>> quick.
>> Most people spend the money and after a while just give up. They hardly
>> get
>> 10 cents per dollar when they sell it.
>>
>> Before you get carried away buying equiment, consider this, the average
>> saltwater tank cost around $50 per gallon:
>>
>> 30 gallons saltwater tank: over $1000.00
>>
>> to see those $15 clownfish swimming happy: PRICELESS (or is it?..)
>>
>> Hope this information help you make a decision.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Ruben
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <rorybrownbeard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149994632.538404.230920@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hey guys my girlfriend and I are thinking about getting a clownfish for
>>> our aqaurium. At the moment we have only had goldfish and the like, but
>>> he have a 10 gallon aquarium that was recently vacated by the loss of a
>>> baby chameleon (long story that involved us being ripped off by an
>>> online dealer). What are some tips when buying and taking care of a
>>> clownfish? My girlfriend tells me that they are easy to take care of
>>> but I want to make sure it is something that we can handle.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 18:56:06
From: Cindy
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Susan wrote:
> I've cycled a tank with live rock and that was pretty well cured and
> aragalive sand. I've had very good luck with this. Ammonia barely spiked.
> Was able to add fish after about a week or two. I also, have canister
> filters on my 2 saltwater tanks. They do need cleaning frequently to keep
> the nitrates low but they also keep the tank really clear. I still have
> mixed feelings using canister filters. (my 2 cents worth :))
I have the smallest Whisper in-tank power filter in my 8-gal. hex,
hidden in behind the live rock. Just slide a clean carbon cartridge in
occasionally and the water is clear as out of the tap.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 18:53:30
From: Yukon
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Susan" <susan-mancuso@woh.rr.com > wrote in message news:VoAkg.60182$mh.16014@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> I've cycled a tank with live rock and that was pretty well cured and aragalive sand. I've had very good luck with this. Ammonia
> barely spiked. Was able to add fish after about a week or two. I also, have canister filters on my 2 saltwater tanks. They do
> need cleaning frequently to keep the nitrates low but they also keep the tank really clear. I still have mixed feelings using
> canister filters. (my 2 cents worth :))
>
> Susan :)
There's nothing wrong with having canister filters. I have an Aquaclear HOB on
all my tanks, always with a foan insert and carbon running. Like you said, as long
as you clean them frequently. I clean mine weekly with every water change.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 14:37:12
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Yukon" <oatmealcremes@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:K6Dkg.28900$3B.19143@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> There's nothing wrong with having canister filters. I have an Aquaclear HOB on
> all my tanks, always with a foan insert and carbon running. Like you said, as long
> as you clean them frequently. I clean mine weekly with every water change.
All depends on what do you keep in your fish tank in regards to animals.
All mechanical filtration (including skimming) is in direct competition
with filter feeder animals removing particles of matter suspended in the
water column which could potentially become food particles for your
sponges, sea cucumbers and - CORALS. Filters also remove plantonic forms of
life, which prevents animals like worms, sponges, copepods from multiplying.
There are many beautiful fish tanks kept with no mechanical filtration or
just "socks" removing larger particles leaving smaller suspended in the water.
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 22:18:39
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"RubenD" <samotors@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message news:Y%nkg.148336$F_3.116940@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Hope this information help you make a decision.
I hope he will NOT use your advice:
1. Canister filters are BIG NO-NO in ine fish tanks with live rock.
They do more harm than good. Live rock with plenty of water movement
gives you sufficient filtration and biggest reef tanks work without
any canister filters. Simply put - canister filter is a waste of money.
Go to the www.reefcentral.com, check out people winning "Tank of the Month"
contests and ask what canister filters they have in their tanks: NONE!
Think about this for a moment and draw st conclusion...
2. There is NO FISH LOSS required nor expected during the cycle phase!
There should be no live fish in the tank during live rock cycling.
Cycling can be made equaly fast with live rock alone.
Even fishtanks with no live rock (using canister or cascade filters)
can be fully cycled with a piece of raw fish/shrimp meat. No living fish
has to suffer due to your ignorance. Even if it costs only $4...
3. Damsels are live fish, which DEMAND SAME RESPECT as more expensive
fish. What will you do when they do their job done? Flush them away ?
They are very territorial fish and are not good tankmates for other
fish when they grow up. They become aggressive and bully other fish.
DO NOT MAKE MISTAKE buying fish you do not plan keeping, just
for the cycling proces. It is simply unnecessary animal cruelty.
OK. Could not resist... :-(
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 02:13:18
From: RubenD
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com > wrote in message
news:e6smbv.3d8.1@poczta.onet.pl...
> "RubenD" <samotors@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Y%nkg.148336$F_3.116940@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> > Hope this information help you make a decision.
>
> I hope he will NOT use your advice:
>
> 1. Canister filters are BIG NO-NO in ine fish tanks with live rock.
> They do more harm than good. Live rock with plenty of water movement
> gives you sufficient filtration and biggest reef tanks work without
> any canister filters. Simply put - canister filter is a waste of money.
> Go to the www.reefcentral.com, check out people winning "Tank of the
Month"
> contests and ask what canister filters they have in their tanks: NONE!
> Think about this for a moment and draw st conclusion...
>
> 2. There is NO FISH LOSS required nor expected during the cycle phase!
> There should be no live fish in the tank during live rock cycling.
> Cycling can be made equaly fast with live rock alone.
> Even fishtanks with no live rock (using canister or cascade filters)
> can be fully cycled with a piece of raw fish/shrimp meat. No living fish
> has to suffer due to your ignorance. Even if it costs only $4...
>
> 3. Damsels are live fish, which DEMAND SAME RESPECT as more expensive
> fish. What will you do when they do their job done? Flush them away ?
> They are very territorial fish and are not good tankmates for other
> fish when they grow up. They become aggressive and bully other fish.
> DO NOT MAKE MISTAKE buying fish you do not plan keeping, just
> for the cycling proces. It is simply unnecessary animal cruelty.
>
> OK. Could not resist... :-(
>
You know, when I comment on this subject, I use the same information it
was giving to me by the fish stores.
1. CANISTER FILTER is the end user option for people who don't want to spent
a fortune in plumbing and /or other filtration
devices such as sumps/wet&dry filters.
That reefcentral website is great, but how much money does it take to be
"thank of the month" ?
Let me think for a moment? nah, I do not agree with you, I'd rather use the
canister filter than spending a fortune on this.
2. FISH LOSS, you know, I have to agree with you on that one. However,
the poor information a newbie get from local shops is minimal, I guess they
were more interested in making a sale instead of the welfare of the fish.
I have read more on the subject and it is possible to cycle the tank that
way.
3. DAMSELS, I still have them. They are pretty looking fish. Very active.
Haven't turn agressive yet, if that happen I can still trade them back, or
keep them in a separate tank.
That's what it took to get my saltwater tank running. Don't take me wrong,
I do respect everyone's opinion, since you guys must have more experience
on the subject, but you see, saltwater tanks are more difficult that what
you make it looks like.
A newbie looking for advice might take it lightly and end up with a bunch of
dead fish and some animosity against saltwater tanks. I think going from
goldfish to clownfish is a big step.
Good luck Rory with your project.
Ruben
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Date: 18 Jun 2006 10:30:32
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"RubenD" <samotors@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message news:2F2lg.46129$fb2.17118@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> You know, when I comment on this subject,
> I use the same information it was giving to me by the fish stores.
Listening to the random information in the fish store is another BAD ADVICE.
> 1. CANISTER FILTER is the end user option for people who don't want to spent
> a fortune in plumbing and /or other filtration
> devices such as sumps/wet&dry filters.
> That reefcentral website is great, but how much money does it take to be
> "thank of the month" ?
> Let me think for a moment? nah, I do not agree with you, I'd rather use the
> canister filter than spending a fortune on this.
It is not about the money... it is about ways to make filtration work.
Canister filters are often more expensive than regular sump with plumbing...
Big canister filters are extremelly expensive compared to a 10 gallon
Allglass tank which costs about $10 used as a sump...
Many people I know, even in freshwater side of our hobby, choose sump
over the canister filter for economy reasons: large sump is simply CHEAPER
than comparable canister filter.
> I do respect everyone's opinion, since you guys must have more experience
> on the subject, but you see, saltwater tanks are more difficult that what
> you make it looks like.
They are very difficult if you try to use canister filters... I agree :-)
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Date: 19 Jun 2006 10:09:34
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:30:32 -0500, "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com >
wrote:
>They are very difficult if you try to use canister filters... I agree :-)
So do I, I started out 12 years ago with canister on a ine tank. I
still have it, it's in perfect condition (in storage in a box). Things
used to die, algae grew etc. Tank improved a lot when I took it out
and switched to a large trickle filter which was still a recommended
method by some back then. Things are even better these days with no
filters of any kind, other than the rock. So I guess I've tried the
alternatives for myself and found them wanting.
Steve
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 18:56:22
From: Yukon
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com > wrote in message news:e6smbv.3d8.1@poczta.onet.pl...
> "RubenD" <samotors@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:Y%nkg.148336$F_3.116940@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> Hope this information help you make a decision.
>
> I hope he will NOT use your advice:
>
> 1. Canister filters are BIG NO-NO in ine fish tanks with live rock.
> They do more harm than good. Live rock with plenty of water movement
> gives you sufficient filtration and biggest reef tanks work without
> any canister filters. Simply put - canister filter is a waste of money.
> Go to the www.reefcentral.com, check out people winning "Tank of the Month"
> contests and ask what canister filters they have in their tanks: NONE!
> Think about this for a moment and draw st conclusion...
>
> 2. There is NO FISH LOSS required nor expected during the cycle phase!
> There should be no live fish in the tank during live rock cycling.
> Cycling can be made equaly fast with live rock alone. Even fishtanks with no live rock (using canister or cascade filters)
> can be fully cycled with a piece of raw fish/shrimp meat. No living fish
> has to suffer due to your ignorance. Even if it costs only $4...
>
> 3. Damsels are live fish, which DEMAND SAME RESPECT as more expensive
> fish. What will you do when they do their job done? Flush them away ?
> They are very territorial fish and are not good tankmates for other
> fish when they grow up. They become aggressive and bully other fish.
> DO NOT MAKE MISTAKE buying fish you do not plan keeping, just
> for the cycling proces. It is simply unnecessary animal cruelty.
>
> OK. Could not resist... :-(
Yep - Definately a no-no using fish to cycle. Besides - I swear that more peope
comment on my Yellow Tail Damsel than any other fish! "Oooh - look at that
pretty little blue one!" LOL!
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 14:32:54
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Yukon" <oatmealcremes@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:q9Dkg.28930$3B.26734@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Yep - Definately a no-no using fish to cycle. Besides - I swear that more peope
> comment on my Yellow Tail Damsel than any other fish! "Oooh - look at that
> pretty little blue one!" LOL!
They are very pretty and interesting fish...
Its a pitty they are so cheap - some people disrespect them.
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Date: 16 Jun 2006 18:53:20
From: Cindy
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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> I hope he will NOT use your advice:
>
> 1. Canister filters are BIG NO-NO in ine fish tanks with live rock.
> They do more harm than good. Live rock with plenty of water movement
> gives you sufficient filtration and biggest reef tanks work without
> any canister filters. Simply put - canister filter is a waste of money.
> Go to the www.reefcentral.com, check out people winning "Tank of the Month"
> contests and ask what canister filters they have in their tanks: NONE!
> Think about this for a moment and draw st conclusion...
>
> 2. There is NO FISH LOSS required nor expected during the cycle phase!
> There should be no live fish in the tank during live rock cycling.
> Cycling can be made equaly fast with live rock alone. Even fishtanks
> with no live rock (using canister or cascade filters)
> can be fully cycled with a piece of raw fish/shrimp meat. No living fish
> has to suffer due to your ignorance. Even if it costs only $4...
>
> 3. Damsels are live fish, which DEMAND SAME RESPECT as more expensive
> fish. What will you do when they do their job done? Flush them away ?
> They are very territorial fish and are not good tankmates for other
> fish when they grow up. They become aggressive and bully other fish.
> DO NOT MAKE MISTAKE buying fish you do not plan keeping, just
> for the cycling proces. It is simply unnecessary animal cruelty.
>
> OK. Could not resist... :-(
So true! Damsels aren't expendable just because they're cheap.
And if you take your time on the cycling, there's no need to lose any
fish "just because."
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 22:05:25
From: rorybrownbeard@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Pszemol wrote:
> But let's not steal the thread from Rory ;-)
You aren't stealing my thunder. I'm trying to read everything I can
about this, hehe.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 10:06:24
From: rorybrownbeard@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Getting a bigger tank won't be a problem, we were looking around and
saw some 30 gals for under $30 at the Meijer. I think we are gonna go
get a few books and of course keep reading stuff on here, I've already
learned a little from ya'lls' posts.
What is the best starting Clown, and where's the best place to buy
them? I've seen a couple places online, but I don't know how good of an
idea it is to buy a fish online.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 18:08:26
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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<rorybrownbeard@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1150131984.006246.314450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> What is the best starting Clown, and where's the best place to buy
> them? I've seen a couple places online, but I don't know how good of an
> idea it is to buy a fish online.
If you want just one clownfish, or a pair (much better choice),
the idea of buying it online could be practical only if you buy rare species.
In most stores the overnight shipping charge is in the range of 35-40 dollars.
This would bring the total price on fish very high compared to local store.
You can buy a clownfish in local stores for about $15-19 each...
If you can, pick a captive breed fish - they are much better accustomed
to fish-tank conditions and they are used to accept flake/frozen food.
Also, this way you support local breeders/hobbyists and their effors
of reef conservation practices...
Make sure you read about pairing clownfish, and how a single fish
turns quickly into a female (this change is irreversible) and will fight
other dominant female until death. To be sure you are buying two fish
which can potentially become a well coexistent pair in your tank buy
two small fish from one tank in the store. Some store keepers keep
single fish too long before they resale and then you are risking buying
two females fighting in your tank. Whatever kind of clownfish you buy
avoid problems like this.
The best book I can recommend about clownfish would be this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1890087041/102-0513144-4776912
This book is very popular and you can also get it in many local libraries.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 04:26:24
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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If you want a pair of clown fish it's nice to buy them at a local pet store
that has 2 together in a tank so they have less tendacy to fiight. As for
online places, liveaquaria.com is an excellent online source to buy
livestock from as is vividaquarium.com. Both of these I've had very good
luck with and they have great warranties. Shipping fees are something to
think about. Usually if ordering from one of these places I place a large
order because of this.
Good Luck,
Susan :)
"Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com > wrote in message
news:e6kaiq.2so.1@poczta.onet.pl...
> <rorybrownbeard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150131984.006246.314450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> What is the best starting Clown, and where's the best place to buy
>> them? I've seen a couple places online, but I don't know how good of an
>> idea it is to buy a fish online.
>
> If you want just one clownfish, or a pair (much better choice),
> the idea of buying it online could be practical only if you buy rare
> species.
> In most stores the overnight shipping charge is in the range of 35-40
> dollars.
> This would bring the total price on fish very high compared to local
> store.
>
> You can buy a clownfish in local stores for about $15-19 each...
>
> If you can, pick a captive breed fish - they are much better accustomed
> to fish-tank conditions and they are used to accept flake/frozen food.
> Also, this way you support local breeders/hobbyists and their effors
> of reef conservation practices...
>
> Make sure you read about pairing clownfish, and how a single fish
> turns quickly into a female (this change is irreversible) and will fight
> other dominant female until death. To be sure you are buying two fish
> which can potentially become a well coexistent pair in your tank buy
> two small fish from one tank in the store. Some store keepers keep
> single fish too long before they resale and then you are risking buying
> two females fighting in your tank. Whatever kind of clownfish you buy
> avoid problems like this.
> The best book I can recommend about clownfish would be this one:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1890087041/102-0513144-4776912
> This book is very popular and you can also get it in many local libraries.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 17:23:13
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Nemo is a good clown fish to get.
All-glass brand aquariums are the best. Keep in mind that
normal aquarium lighting from one tank manufacture won't
always fit that of another manufacture. If you are going
with normal output lighting (not reef), then get an
all-glass aquarium with glass top and light.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Wayne@WaynesPets.com
rorybrownbeard@gmail.com wrote on 6/12/2006 1:06 PM:
> Getting a bigger tank won't be a problem, we were looking around and
> saw some 30 gals for under $30 at the Meijer. I think we are gonna go
> get a few books and of course keep reading stuff on here, I've already
> learned a little from ya'lls' posts.
>
> What is the best starting Clown, and where's the best place to buy
> them? I've seen a couple places online, but I don't know how good of an
> idea it is to buy a fish online.
>
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 12:41:05
From: Brandonb
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Just curious why you say All-glass brand tanks are the best? I've got
several All-glass (two 10s, one 29, one 75), and an Oceanic 55. The
Oceanic just seems better constructed, nice seams, thicker glass, and
solid as a rock. All sides are tempered. The AGAs just seem thinner all
around (while only the bottom panes are tempered), and the seams on the
corners seem to protrude slightly and just not line up right.
Interestingly enough, they seem to be owned by the same parent company.
Brandonb
Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Nemo is a good clown fish to get.
>
> All-glass brand aquariums are the best. Keep in mind that normal
> aquarium lighting from one tank manufacture won't always fit that of
> another manufacture. If you are going with normal output lighting (not
> reef), then get an all-glass aquarium with glass top and light.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
> Wayne@WaynesPets.com
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 17:51:14
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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Yea allglass bought oceanic not to long ago.
It's sad the way so many companies are buying each other.
Allglass has the best track record.
You are better off with nontempered glass.
Allglass used to not temper any tanks accept for 55
gallon, and the economy 75. Now all of the larger tanks
have tempered bottoms. Large all-glass aquariums without
tempered glass can be special ordered, but it is more
expensive. Tempering is usualy done to lower cost rather
than improve quality. I'd rather have a tank crack than to
have all the contents dump on the floor.
I don't like the way Oceanic puts that stupid glass piece
in the midle of the tank. Since being bought out by
all-glass, some of their tanks are being made with plastic
suports in the middle instead of glass.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Wayne@WaynesPets.com
Brandonb wrote on 6/12/2006 1:41 PM:
> Just curious why you say All-glass brand tanks are the best? I've got
> several All-glass (two 10s, one 29, one 75), and an Oceanic 55. The
> Oceanic just seems better constructed, nice seams, thicker glass, and
> solid as a rock. All sides are tempered. The AGAs just seem thinner all
> around (while only the bottom panes are tempered), and the seams on the
> corners seem to protrude slightly and just not line up right.
> Interestingly enough, they seem to be owned by the same parent company.
>
> Brandonb
>
>
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>> Nemo is a good clown fish to get.
>>
>> All-glass brand aquariums are the best. Keep in mind that normal
>> aquarium lighting from one tank manufacture won't always fit that of
>> another manufacture. If you are going with normal output lighting (not
>> reef), then get an all-glass aquarium with glass top and light.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>> Wayne@WaynesPets.com
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 13:40:47
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com > wrote in message news:448DA990.5050209@WayneSallee.com...
> I don't like the way Oceanic puts that stupid glass piece
> in the midle of the tank
My 58RR Oceanic I received ch 2006 has no center brace.
It has an oval overflow channel in the middle of the back wall.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 18:58:21
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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The oval overflow in the middle was all-glass's idea. I
don't like the way that all-glass abandonded the overflows
in the corner. Most people prefer to have the overflows in
the corner. They have since started making some sizes with
the corner overflows again. Naturaly the corner tanks have
continued to have the corner overflows.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Wayne@WaynesPets.com
Pszemol wrote on 6/12/2006 2:40 PM:
> "Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
> news:448DA990.5050209@WayneSallee.com...
>> I don't like the way Oceanic puts that stupid glass piece in the midle
>> of the tank
>
> My 58RR Oceanic I received ch 2006 has no center brace.
> It has an oval overflow channel in the middle of the back wall.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 15:26:34
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com > wrote in message news:448DB94C.9090708@WayneSallee.com...
> The oval overflow in the middle was all-glass's idea. I
> don't like the way that all-glass abandonded the overflows
> in the corner. Most people prefer to have the overflows in
> the corner. They have since started making some sizes with
> the corner overflows again. Naturaly the corner tanks have
> continued to have the corner overflows.
I would prefer a corner one, but after I realized they tend to
be installed in the left-hand corner I gladly accepted the one
with the overflow in the middle, since my tank sits next to the
wall of my room on its right side, so the corner overflow on
the left side would be worse than having it right in the middle.
But let's not steal the thread from Rory ;-)
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 20:29:54
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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On 10 Jun 2006 19:57:12 -0700, "rorybrownbeard@gmail.com"
<rorybrownbeard@gmail.com > wrote:
>Hey guys my girlfriend and I are thinking about getting a clownfish for
>our aqaurium. At the moment we have only had goldfish and the like, but
>he have a 10 gallon aquarium that was recently vacated by the loss of a
>baby chameleon (long story that involved us being ripped off by an
>online dealer). What are some tips when buying and taking care of a
>clownfish? My girlfriend tells me that they are easy to take care of
>but I want to make sure it is something that we can handle.
>
>Rory
They are pretty easy ine fish to keep, assuming you understand how
to set up some sort of filtration to process their nitrogenous waste.
Are you clued up on the various ways this can be done in a ine
tank? A reef tank including inverts normally relies on a good
quantity of live rock to do this, but if your tank is genuinely fish
only then you could perhaps get by with some sort of proprietary
filter, maybe undergravel might work here also. ine fish won't
forgive inadequate filtration though, you need to understand those
concepts well before you start. Clowns should feed like pigs, frozen
brine shrimp gets ours very excited. 10 gals is not big, ine
tanks are easier to manage if larger, but it's possible if you are
careful and get things right.
Steve
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 15:06:40
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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An Aquaclear Filter with calcium sand in the bottom of the
aquarium would be much better.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Wayne@WaynesPets.com
Steve wrote on 6/11/2006 4:29 PM:
> On 10 Jun 2006 19:57:12 -0700, "rorybrownbeard@gmail.com"
> <rorybrownbeard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys my girlfriend and I are thinking about getting a clownfish for
>> our aqaurium. At the moment we have only had goldfish and the like, but
>> he have a 10 gallon aquarium that was recently vacated by the loss of a
>> baby chameleon (long story that involved us being ripped off by an
>> online dealer). What are some tips when buying and taking care of a
>> clownfish? My girlfriend tells me that they are easy to take care of
>> but I want to make sure it is something that we can handle.
>>
>> Rory
>
> They are pretty easy ine fish to keep, assuming you understand how
> to set up some sort of filtration to process their nitrogenous waste.
> Are you clued up on the various ways this can be done in a ine
> tank? A reef tank including inverts normally relies on a good
> quantity of live rock to do this, but if your tank is genuinely fish
> only then you could perhaps get by with some sort of proprietary
> filter, maybe undergravel might work here also. ine fish won't
> forgive inadequate filtration though, you need to understand those
> concepts well before you start. Clowns should feed like pigs, frozen
> brine shrimp gets ours very excited. 10 gals is not big, ine
> tanks are easier to manage if larger, but it's possible if you are
> careful and get things right.
>
> Steve
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 21:20:00
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Steve" <steve@deletethissjwilliams.com > wrote in message news:n6uo825k6nvkhkg2of73trf667urc5o04q@4ax.com...
> 10 gals is not big, ine tanks are easier to manage if larger,
> but it's possible if you are careful and get things right.
I would not recomend 10 gallons ine for a novice...
It will be very hard and you could easily get discouraged with a failure.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 15:05:49
From: Wayne Sallee
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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I would not say that, but he needs to take it slow. I
highly recommend he purchase a book on ine fish
keeping, or better yet ine reef keeping. He also needs
to realize that he can't put much in that tank.
Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets
Wayne@WaynesPets.com
Pszemol wrote on 6/11/2006 10:20 PM:
> "Steve" <steve@deletethissjwilliams.com> wrote in message
> news:n6uo825k6nvkhkg2of73trf667urc5o04q@4ax.com...
>> 10 gals is not big, ine tanks are easier to manage if larger,
>> but it's possible if you are careful and get things right.
>
> I would not recomend 10 gallons ine for a novice...
> It will be very hard and you could easily get discouraged with a failure.
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 12:21:59
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com > wrote in message news:448D82CB.9080509@WayneSallee.com...
> I would not say that, but he needs to take it slow. I
> highly recommend he purchase a book on ine fish
> keeping, or better yet ine reef keeping. He also needs
> to realize that he can't put much in that tank.
An idea of "taking it slow" or "reading book before you buy"
simply does not work for an average newbie, but maybe
Rory will be a nice exception to the rule... ;-)
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Date: 12 Jun 2006 09:06:47
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:20:00 -0500, "Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com >
wrote:
>"Steve" <steve@deletethissjwilliams.com> wrote in message news:n6uo825k6nvkhkg2of73trf667urc5o04q@4ax.com...
>> 10 gals is not big, ine tanks are easier to manage if larger,
>> but it's possible if you are careful and get things right.
>
>I would not recomend 10 gallons ine for a novice...
>It will be very hard and you could easily get discouraged with a failure.
I'll agree with that, bigger would be much better in this instance,
and the cost of the tank is actually a minor part of the total really,
so why use the existing one I suppose...
Steve
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 12:08:42
From: rorybrownbeard@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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No, I mean a Clown Anemonefish.
Rory
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 22:00:09
From: Yukon
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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<rorybrownbeard@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1150052922.740220.135310@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> No, I mean a Clown Anemonefish.
>
> Rory
>
I keep a 10 gal tank with 10 lbs of live rock and a small Aquaclear filter and a heater. Crushed Coral for substrate that I vac once
a week with a small water change. I've had a damsel, two shrimp, two urchins, and a couple hermit crabs in there for a few years,
and everything is doing well. Remember with a tank that small, you have to constantly monitor the salinity, and top off with fresh
water every day. A clownfish would do fine. If it's your first time with saltwater fishies, maybe read up a little first though.
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 21:17:56
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Yukon" <oatmealcremes@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:Jn0jg.34591$8G3.2464@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> <rorybrownbeard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1150052922.740220.135310@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I keep a 10 gal tank with 10 lbs of live rock
> and a small Aquaclear filter and a heater.
no skimmer, a?
> Crushed Coral for substrate that I vac once
> a week with a small water change. I've had
> a damsel, two shrimp, two urchins, and a couple
> hermit crabs in there for a few years,
> and everything is doing well.
Please tell us a little more about it...
What kind of shrimp or urchins you had there ?
How long had they survived in 10 gallons tank ?
Do you still have them ?
p.s. any pictures of your pico-reef ? :-)
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 01:21:55
From: Yukon
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Pszemol" <Pszemol@PolBox.com > wrote in message news:e6i1a4.24g.1@poczta.onet.pl...
> "Yukon" <oatmealcremes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Jn0jg.34591$8G3.2464@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> <rorybrownbeard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1150052922.740220.135310@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> I keep a 10 gal tank with 10 lbs of live rock
>> and a small Aquaclear filter and a heater.
>
> no skimmer, a?
>
>> Crushed Coral for substrate that I vac once a week with a small water change. I've had
>> a damsel, two shrimp, two urchins, and a couple
>> hermit crabs in there for a few years, and everything is doing well.
>
> Please tell us a little more about it...
> What kind of shrimp or urchins you had there ?
> How long had they survived in 10 gallons tank ?
> Do you still have them ?
>
> p.s. any pictures of your pico-reef ? :-)
The tank has two peppermint shrimp and 3 pincusion urchins. The only
fish is a three striped damsel. No skimmer - I don't have any skimmers
on my tanks anymore - took them off over two years ago, and have 3
Pak-Baks sitting in the garage. They worked well, but I always hated the
noise. I've had zero problems since taking them off. I do a 10 percent
weekly water change on the tanks. The 10 gallon tank started out as a hospital tank
and now I kinda put problem things in there. It's not much to look
at, just kind of a utility tank, but I'll get a pic posted.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 22:46:06
From: Pszemol
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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"Yukon" <oatmealcremes@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:TwJjg.11810$3B.638@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> The tank has two peppermint shrimp and 3 pincusion urchins.
Are you talking about these urchins:
http://www.aquahobby.com/ine/img/globulus1.jpg
How long have you kept them in 10 gallons tank?
Are these guys still alive?
> No skimmer - I don't have any skimmers
> on my tanks anymore - took them off over two years ago, and have 3
> Pak-Baks sitting in the garage. They worked well, but I always hated the
> noise.
I hate the noise too... :-)
> I've had zero problems since taking them off. I do a 10 percent weekly
> water change on the tanks. The 10 gallon tank started out as a hospital tank
> and now I kinda put problem things in there. It's not much to look
> at, just kind of a utility tank, but I'll get a pic posted.
It would be cool.
Thanks!
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Date: 11 Jun 2006 05:04:09
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: Clown newb
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do you mean clown loach? as in
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=873
<rorybrownbeard@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1149994632.538404.230920@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys my girlfriend and I are thinking about getting a clownfish for
> our aqaurium. At the moment we have only had goldfish and the like, but
> he have a 10 gallon aquarium that was recently vacated by the loss of a
> baby chameleon (long story that involved us being ripped off by an
> online dealer). What are some tips when buying and taking care of a
> clownfish? My girlfriend tells me that they are easy to take care of
> but I want to make sure it is something that we can handle.
>
> Rory
>
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