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Date: 26 Jun 2006 19:24:26
From: PJ
Subject: fishless aquarium
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Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter fishbowl
i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them please ???
TIA.. Rod
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Date: 05 Jul 2006 14:24:17
From: teckytim
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:18:39 +0000 (UTC), richard@news.vrx.net
(Richard Sexton) wrote:
>In article <44a06e04$0$553$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>,
>Koi-Lo <My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy.> wrote:
>>
>>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>>news:e7pmi0$io3$2@news.datemas.de...
>>> >Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and
>>> >phosphates
>>>>the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
>>>>these two major elements. I'm raising ble Queen in water with nothing
>>>>but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.
>>>
>>> My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.
>>
>>Dangerous? To who? The plant (ble Queen) is THRIVING as are the
>>variegated cat-tails, the pennyroyal, the pickerel rush, Elodea, hornwart
>>and other water plants where there are no fish to supply nitrates and
>>phosphates.
>
>Of course they are.
>
>>> You can kill poeples fish
>>
>>HE DOESN'T KEEP FISH!!!! Reread his message!
>
>Caps lock key broken? Exclamation k key stuck?
>
>>just by moving that plant to a tank
>>> with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
>>> years ago.
>>
>>Are you saying the plant RELEASED large amounts of ammonia from it's cells
>>and killed fish?
>
>I'm saying a single plant from an experimental tank fertilized with
>garden fertilizer killer 24 cardinals in a 65 gallon tank when moved
>there.
Why makes you think the OP has any intention of moving the plants from
the fishbowl to a tank with fish?
>I don't really know how or why, but putting ammonia in a tank
So you have no idea what killed the fish. For all anybody knows there
was soap on your hands when you moved it.
>to fertilize plants is abou the the stupidest things I've ever heard
>and in my experience is at best a very dangerous experiment.
In a fishless bowl?
>You may be getting away with it, but you are doing just that. No
>sane person would do this.
Sane ppl don't get argumentative about speculation. Ammonia is one of
many valid plant nutrients. Test kits warn of potential fish
poisioning long before illness or fatality. This is an utterly silly
fight.
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 19:34:04
From: Marco Schwarz
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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Hi..
> Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused
> 10 Liter fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold
> and what do i feed them please ??? TIA.. Rod
Well.., a fishbowl is no aquarium but I would recommend 1-2"
sand or gravel, some floating Elodea, some ramshorn snails
and 1-5 dwarf shrimps. Personally I would feed the
"crew" (snails, shrimps) and the bacteria would do their
job to feed the plants..
HTH.
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cu
co
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 11:34:22
From: PJ
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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TY everyone for the responses. I now know what to do.. Cheers and TY.. Rod
"co Schwarz" <co_s@t-online.de > wrote in message
news:e7p5kp$ib8$1@news.albasani.net...
> Hi..
>
>> Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused
>> 10 Liter fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold
>> and what do i feed them please ??? TIA.. Rod
>
> Well.., a fishbowl is no aquarium but I would recommend 1-2"
> sand or gravel, some floating Elodea, some ramshorn snails
> and 1-5 dwarf shrimps. Personally I would feed the
> "crew" (snails, shrimps) and the bacteria would do their
> job to feed the plants..
>
> HTH.
> --
> cu
> co
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 09:45:41
From:
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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Im the aqiarium groups asshole. Just piss in the bowl.... best going
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:24:26 +1000, "PJ" <rredbeak@optusnet.com.au >
wrote:
>Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter fishbowl
>i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them please ???
>TIA.. Rod
>
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 09:42:41
From: Koi-Lo
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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"PJ" <rredbeak@optusnet.com.au > wrote in message
news:449fa7cb$0$31607$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter
> fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them
> please ??? TIA.. Rod
====================
Without fish you'll need to supply nitrogen and phosphorus, so any complete
fertilizer should do. I would try something like dilute Miracle Grow.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 18:10:36
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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In article <449fe62c$0$532$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com >,
Koi-Lo <My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. > wrote:
>
>"PJ" <rredbeak@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>news:449fa7cb$0$31607$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter
>> fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them
>> please ??? TIA.. Rod
>====================
>Without fish you'll need to supply nitrogen and phosphorus, so any complete
>fertilizer should do. I would try something like dilute Miracle Grow.
Please don't make shit up. Miracle Grow contains ammonia which you
NEVER use in an aquarium. I seriosuly doubt you've ever tried it,
if you did you know it promotes algae and, I did try it once and
when I moved plants from that tank to another tank that contained
cardinals they were dead within hours from the residual ammonia.
This was 20 years ago when we didn't know better. Today we do.
Fertilize per standard and things will be fine.
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Richard Sexton
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 21:57:26
From:
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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This is to let you assholes know I'm now posting as "Wëndãlen©"
.......this is my new sock puppet.......
The google groups is where
all the sissy fucker refugees from the usenet fled to since none of
them have a backbone to stand up to
me ....akak an all my socks, or the so called trolls.....bunch of big
time losers.
You can reach -Ed Alston at cuttysark@frontiernet.net
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 14:21:13
From: Koi-Lo
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net > wrote in message
news:e7p7us$il9$10@news.datemas.de...
> In article <449fe62c$0$532$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>,
> Koi-Lo <My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy.> wrote:
>>
>>"PJ" <rredbeak@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:449fa7cb$0$31607$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> Im thinking of starting a fishless aquarium with a unused 10 Liter
>>> fishbowl i have. How many plants will 10L hold and what do i feed them
>>> please ??? TIA.. Rod
>>====================
>>Without fish you'll need to supply nitrogen and phosphorus, so any
>>complete
>>fertilizer should do. I would try something like dilute Miracle Grow.
>
> Please don't make shit up. Miracle Grow contains ammonia which you
> NEVER use in an aquarium.
He said there would be NO FISH in the aquarium - reread his message!
I seriosuly doubt you've ever tried it,
> if you did you know it promotes algae and, I did try it once and
> when I moved plants from that tank to another tank that contained
> cardinals they were dead within hours from the residual ammonia.
Reread his message. He didn't say he was going to move the plants to an
aquarium with fish.
> This was 20 years ago when we didn't know better. Today we do.
> Fertilize per standard and things will be fine.
Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and phosphates
the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
these two major elements. I'm raising ble Queen in water with nothing
but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.
--
KL....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 22:19:44
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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>Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and phosphates
>the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
>these two major elements. I'm raising ble Queen in water with nothing
>but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.
My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.
You can kill poeples fish just by moving that plant to a tank
with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
years ago.
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Date: 26 Jun 2006 19:22:19
From: Koi-Lo
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net > wrote in message
news:e7pmi0$io3$2@news.datemas.de...
> >Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and
> >phosphates
>>the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
>>these two major elements. I'm raising ble Queen in water with nothing
>>but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.
>
> My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.
Dangerous? To who? The plant (ble Queen) is THRIVING as are the
variegated cat-tails, the pennyroyal, the pickerel rush, Elodea, hornwart
and other water plants where there are no fish to supply nitrates and
phosphates.
> You can kill poeples fish
HE DOESN'T KEEP FISH!!!! Reread his message!
just by moving that plant to a tank
> with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
> years ago.
Are you saying the plant RELEASED large amounts of ammonia from it's cells
and killed fish? If you fear ammonia is clinging to the plant in vast and
deadly amounts then rise it off in clean water before putting it in with
fish. Miracle Grow and garden fertilizers do not kill plants and rinses off
easily. The tiny amount that may cling to them should be neutralized
rapidly by the bacteria in the fishtank. Better yet, just rinse them off
first.
--
KL....
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 19:18:39
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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In article <44a06e04$0$553$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com >,
Koi-Lo <My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. > wrote:
>
>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>news:e7pmi0$io3$2@news.datemas.de...
>> >Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and
>> >phosphates
>>>the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums LACK
>>>these two major elements. I'm raising ble Queen in water with nothing
>>>but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.
>>
>> My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.
>
>Dangerous? To who? The plant (ble Queen) is THRIVING as are the
>variegated cat-tails, the pennyroyal, the pickerel rush, Elodea, hornwart
>and other water plants where there are no fish to supply nitrates and
>phosphates.
Of course they are.
>> You can kill poeples fish
>
>HE DOESN'T KEEP FISH!!!! Reread his message!
Caps lock key broken? Exclamation k key stuck?
>just by moving that plant to a tank
>> with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
>> years ago.
>
>Are you saying the plant RELEASED large amounts of ammonia from it's cells
>and killed fish?
I'm saying a single plant from an experimental tank fertilized with
garden fertilizer killer 24 cardinals in a 65 gallon tank when moved
there. I don't really know how or why, but putting ammonia in a tank
to fertilize plants is abou the the stupidest things I've ever heard
and in my experience is at best a very dangerous experiment.
You may be getting away with it, but you are doing just that. No
sane person would do this.
--
Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 14:38:38
From: Koi-Lo
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net > wrote in message
news:e7s0af$9uv$19@news.datemas.de...
> In article <44a06e04$0$553$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>,
> Koi-Lo <My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy.> wrote:
>>
>>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>>news:e7pmi0$io3$2@news.datemas.de...
>>> >Without fish in his aquarium where do you think the nitrates and
>>> >phosphates
>>>>the plants need will come from? Thin air? Fertilizer for aquariums
>>>>LACK
>>>>these two major elements. I'm raising ble Queen in water with
>>>>nothing
>>>>but 5-10-5 garden fertilizer. The plant is thriving.
>>>
>>> My god you're dangerous. Please don't ever recommend this to anyone.
>>
>>Dangerous? To who? The plant (ble Queen) is THRIVING as are the
>>variegated cat-tails, the pennyroyal, the pickerel rush, Elodea, hornwart
>>and other water plants where there are no fish to supply nitrates and
>>phosphates.
>
> Of course they are.
>
>>> You can kill poeples fish
>>
>>HE DOESN'T KEEP FISH!!!! Reread his message!
>
> Caps lock key broken? Exclamation k key stuck?
Apparently you never bothered to read his post.
>>just by moving that plant to a tank
>>> with fish, I've seen it happen; it was documented here 20
>>> years ago.
>>
>>Are you saying the plant RELEASED large amounts of ammonia from it's cells
>>and killed fish?
>
> I'm saying a single plant from an experimental tank fertilized with
> garden fertilizer killer 24 cardinals in a 65 gallon tank when moved
> there.
And what proof do you have the plant was so covered in ammonia it killed the
fish? Should I claim Excel and the micronutrients I've been using killed my
fancy goldfish? After all none died that were not exposed to these
products. Rise the plants off before you add them to your tank. You should
be doing that anyway. The tiny amount of ammonia, if any would be quickly
neutralized by the bacteria in the tank that housed the fish.
I don't really know how or why, but putting ammonia in a tank
> to fertilize plants is abou the the stupidest things I've ever heard
> and in my experience is at best a very dangerous experiment.
As is experimenting with Excel and the other products out there apparently,
since no other fish died here except those exposed to these aquarium
fertilizers. By your reasoning you need to stop recommending these products
since they killed these goldfish.
> You may be getting away with it, but you are doing just that. No
> sane person would do this.
You're entitled to your opinion. My water plants are thriving outside with
nothing but inexpensive garden fertilizer (5-10-5) and Miracle Grow.
Tadpoles are thriving in the same tubs.
--
KL....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 21:51:09
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
dead fish.
Best of luck.
--
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Richard Sexton
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 15:22:05
From: Kevin
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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You illiterate unread troll
*--PLONK--*
"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net > wrote in message
news:e7s98d$7gn$4@news.datemas.de...
>
> Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
> dead fish.
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> --
> Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
> Richard Sexton
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 20:00:46
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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How ironic. Just for laughs why don't you see where "plonk"
originated.
In article <e83tkt$l7i$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu >,
Kevin <sklar56@hotmail.com > wrote:
>You illiterate unread troll
>
>*--PLONK--*
>
>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>news:e7s98d$7gn$4@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
>> dead fish.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
>> Richard Sexton
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 15:15:47
From: Koi-Lo the USENET net ho!
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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plonk
<networking, abuse > (Possibly influenced by British slang
"plonk" for cheap booze, or "plonker" for someone behaving
stupidly; usually written "*plonk*") The sound a newbie
makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While this
term originated in the Usenet newsgroup
news:talk.bizarre, by 1994 it was widespread on Usenet and
mailing lists as a form of public ridicule.
Another theory is that it is an acronym for "Person with
Little Or No Knowledge".
Now yu know Richard, yur dealing with lots of folks in these aquaria
and pond groups that are a few cards short of a full deck.......IMNSHO
these groups are not worth yur time or effort to try and explain
anyth8ing to anyone. Just that asshole "plonking" yoiu is gonna spread
like wildfire, bedamed whatever yur intentions were.....Carol rules
and wins yet another. She has all these sheeple trained to her
standards......Her next move is bash you and trash you and blame it on
someone else....Been done many many times before and its nothing new
with that bitch. OBTW Kevin is a sock of Carols if you did not
know.....
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:00:46 +0000 (UTC), richard@news.vrx.net
(Richard Sexton) wrote:
>How ironic. Just for laughs why don't you see where "plonk"
>originated.
>
>
>In article <e83tkt$l7i$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>,
>Kevin <sklar56@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>You illiterate unread troll
>>
>>*--PLONK--*
>>
>>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>>news:e7s98d$7gn$4@news.datemas.de...
>>>
>>> Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
>>> dead fish.
>>>
>>> Best of luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
>>> Richard Sexton
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Date: 01 Jul 2006 17:14:36
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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In article <sc1ba2ha01knsm24vok1ansf6tc8r0mnq4@4ax.com >,
Koi-Lo the USENET net ho! <cuttysark@hotmail.com > wrote:
>plonk
>
> <networking, abuse> (Possibly influenced by British slang
> "plonk" for cheap booze, or "plonker" for someone behaving
> stupidly; usually written "*plonk*") The sound a newbie
> makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While this
> term originated in the Usenet newsgroup
> news:talk.bizarre, by 1994 it was widespread on Usenet and
> mailing lists as a form of public ridicule.
>
> Another theory is that it is an acronym for "Person with
> Little Or No Knowledge".
Theory my ass, I nade it up in 1988. Google is your friend.
>Now yu know Richard, yur dealing with lots of folks in these aquaria
>and pond groups that are a few cards short of a full deck.......IMNSHO
>these groups are not worth yur time or effort to try and explain
>anyth8ing to anyone. Just that asshole "plonking" yoiu is gonna spread
>like wildfire, bedamed whatever yur intentions were.....Carol rules
>and wins yet another. She has all these sheeple trained to her
>standards......Her next move is bash you and trash you and blame it on
>someone else....Been done many many times before and its nothing new
>with that bitch. OBTW Kevin is a sock of Carols if you did not
>know.....
The trolls don't bother me, I've seen them for 25 years. They used
to be funnier, but it's a part of usenet.
--
Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton
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Date: 30 Jun 2006 14:31:10
From: C. Gulley
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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Dam richard, you can not get along with any of Carols cronies can yuu.
That will teach you coming in here infringine on Carols territory..And
yur an unread troll to boot! hillarioius...liked to have pissed my
pants on that one.
Better leave before she sics her socks on you.
...<PLONK > I always wanted to say or post that its niot really as big
of a dealas everyone thinks it is......
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:22:05 -0400, "Kevin" <sklar56@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>You illiterate unread troll
>
>*--PLONK--*
>
>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>news:e7s98d$7gn$4@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
>> dead fish.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Need Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org
>> Richard Sexton
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Date: 27 Jun 2006 20:23:47
From: Koi-Lo
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net > wrote in message
news:e7s98d$7gn$4@news.datemas.de...
>
> Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
> dead fish.
Oh,.. so now you claim there was ammonia in the Seachem Excel, the iron and
the micronutrients? That's not what the containers say! Better make sure
you warn people that these products contain ammonia.
> Best of luck.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Date: 28 Jun 2006 18:25:39
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: fishless aquarium
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In article <44a1cde6$0$563$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com >,
Koi-Lo <My impersonator is Roy TJ Hauer aka Roy. > wrote:
>
>"Richard Sexton" <richard@news.vrx.net> wrote in message
>news:e7s98d$7gn$4@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> Poeple that put ammonia in a tank have no right to complain about
>> dead fish.
>
>Oh,.. so now you claim there was ammonia in the Seachem Excel, the iron and
>the micronutrients?
I made no such claim.
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Richard Sexton
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