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Date: 07 Jun 2005 15:12:47
From: HammerJoe@gmail.com
Subject: co2 replacement
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Hi,
I found this:
http://www.petsolutions.com/Natural+Aquarium+Vital-I-34165000-I-C-10143-C-.aspx
What is your opinion on this product?
Does it really replace a (diy)co2 system?
Thanks
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Date: 14 Jun 2005 11:37:36
From: HammerJoe@gmail.com
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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I was wondering what is the correct dosage for a 35gal heavely planted
(I have around 15 diferent plants).
Seachem website states 1 cap every two days for a 50gal tank.
Am I correct assuming then 1 cap every three days?
thanks
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Date: 14 Jun 2005 15:43:08
From: Rocco Moretti
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
> I was wondering what is the correct dosage for a 35gal heavely planted
> (I have around 15 diferent plants).
>
> Seachem website states 1 cap every two days for a 50gal tank.
> Am I correct assuming then 1 cap every three days?
I'd probably go with ~2/3 of a capful every 2 days. (i.e. cut the
amount, not the frequecy) The bottle gives a subdivision hint - each
thread is ~1 mL, the cap is 5 mL total. Be advised this is just my guess
- I haven't used the stuff myself.
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Date: 14 Jun 2005 22:47:48
From: Elaine T
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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Rocco Moretti wrote:
> HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was wondering what is the correct dosage for a 35gal heavely planted
>> (I have around 15 diferent plants).
>>
>> Seachem website states 1 cap every two days for a 50gal tank.
>> Am I correct assuming then 1 cap every three days?
>
>
> I'd probably go with ~2/3 of a capful every 2 days. (i.e. cut the
> amount, not the frequecy) The bottle gives a subdivision hint - each
> thread is ~1 mL, the cap is 5 mL total. Be advised this is just my guess
> - I haven't used the stuff myself.
So far, I've done what Rocco says. I dose every 2 days by tank size. I
found that I could cut the dosage in all by my most brightly lit tank by
1/2 and get no change in growth. I'm playing with KNO3 now, so
hopefully things will speed up a bit.
--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__ ><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
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Date: 14 Jun 2005 10:02:23
From: HammerJoe@gmail.com
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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I better order some excel then. :)
I guess I would start seeing fish dying correct?
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Date: 13 Jun 2005 10:38:55
From: HammerJoe@gmail.com
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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What are the signs of lack of co2?
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Date: 13 Jun 2005 18:26:27
From: Elaine T
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
> What are the signs of lack of co2?
>
Algae and slow-growing plants.
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Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__ ><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
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Date: 14 Jun 2005 04:28:08
From: Elaine T
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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Elaine T wrote:
> HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
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>> What are the signs of lack of co2?
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> Algae and slow-growing plants.
Whoops. Forgot the big one! A fall in KH but a rise in pH. The rise
in pH is how you know it's not "old tank syndrome." Some plants can use
the carbon present as carbonate buffer in the tank when they're starved
for CO2. The carbonate gets used by the plants in an unusual way that
leaves excess OH- in the tank water so pH rises rather than falls.
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Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__ ><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
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Date: 10 Jun 2005 21:29:59
From: Daniel Morrow
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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<HammerJoe@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1118182367.631306.263170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I found this:
>
>
http://www.petsolutions.com/Natural+Aquarium+Vital-I-34165000-I-C-10143-C-.a
spx
>
> What is your opinion on this product?
> Does it really replace a (diy)co2 system?
>
> Thanks
>
There are other options like the co2 fizz factory by jungle and aquarium
products mini co2 injector, plant food tabs (I must say that alone has made
a big difference wit my amazon sword plant as it is growing some now) and
other co2 kits. These are for small tanks only (your tank isn't small but it
may be small enough in the long run) and are not economical for large tanks
in the long run. There are a lot of products out there that can help or
totally fix plant nutrition or plant substance use problems. Browse large
fish supply companies' catalogs for ideas. Good luck and later!
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Date: 09 Jun 2005 17:03:23
From: HammerJoe@gmail.com
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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Hmm I have a 35gal tank, so the 16oz would last me 6 months?
Is this a good estimate?
At $8 a bottle it doesnt seem expensive?
I know little about diy co2, how long would a 2L pop bottle last?
And how do I know how to regulate the amount of co2 in the tank?
The constant checking to make sure ph doesnt swing too much?
excel just seems an easy solution. :)
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Date: 10 Jun 2005 00:54:09
From: Elaine T
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
> Hmm I have a 35gal tank, so the 16oz would last me 6 months?
> Is this a good estimate?
> At $8 a bottle it doesnt seem expensive?
>
> I know little about diy co2, how long would a 2L pop bottle last?
> And how do I know how to regulate the amount of co2 in the tank?
>
> The constant checking to make sure ph doesnt swing too much?
>
> excel just seems an easy solution. :)
>
Maybe it's not more expensive... Sugar and yeast are so cheap, I just
assumed it would cost more. Maybe not for a small tank.
I think I was getting about 2-3 weeks of fermentation out of my 2l pop
bottles, and I just used a little clear plastic cup turned upside-down
to trap a bubble of CO2 underwater near the filter where water flowed
past. When the cup didn't stay full of CO2 any more, I replaced the
bottle. I never had big pH shifts - maybe 0.3 units so I didn't worry
too much about testing.
My plants sure love the combo of Flourish Excel and Flourite - that's
for sure!
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Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__ ><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
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Date: 09 Jun 2005 11:08:27
From: HammerJoe@gmail.com
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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Thanks Elaine...
I am not looking for crazy growth, I just want to keep healthy plants.
My tank is already full as it is, I don't need rapid growth at all. :)
I want the plants to be healthy and if possible blossom.
So in that sense I think Exel would be enough for my needs.
How much does cost a bottle?
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Date: 09 Jun 2005 14:50:07
From: Daniel Morrow
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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<HammerJoe@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1118340507.343516.289430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks Elaine...
>
> I am not looking for crazy growth, I just want to keep healthy plants.
> My tank is already full as it is, I don't need rapid growth at all. :)
> I want the plants to be healthy and if possible blossom.
>
> So in that sense I think Exel would be enough for my needs.
> How much does cost a bottle?
>
It costs $04.49 for 8.5 onces from www.thatpetplace.com which treats 50
gallons for 1-2 months. I back elaine up on this. Later!
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Date: 08 Jun 2005 21:50:09
From: HammerJoe@gmail.com
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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So what is the consensus?
Use a DYi co2 system or excel?
Thanks
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Date: 09 Jun 2005 17:24:07
From: Elaine T
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
> So what is the consensus?
>
> Use a DYi co2 system or excel?
>
> Thanks
>
I've done both. DIY is cheap, a bit of work, but gives real CO2 with
the pH lowering benefits, fast plant growth, and low algae. You have to
keep KH under control for it to work well, and it takes some fiddling
with the yeast/water mixture. I used to hook gallon jars of honey mead
up to my 29 gallon tank because you gat a much longer, slower
fermentation from honey than from sugar. Plus you get something good at
the end. ;-)
Excel is very easy, costs more, and doesn't give quite as much growth as
CO2. It works no matter what the KH is and doesn't give any risk of
lowering pH too far.
My tanks are small - 2, 10, and 15 gallons - so DIY CO2 would be hard to
control and Excel isn't too expensive on that scale. Excel has provided
a great alternative and I have the lushest 2 gallon tank I've ever
managed by using it.
If I had 30 gallons or more, I'd go to DIY C02.
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Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__ ><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
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Date: 08 Jun 2005 08:29:54
From: Rocco Moretti
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I found this:
>
> http://www.petsolutions.com/Natural+Aquarium+Vital-I-34165000-I-C-10143-C-.aspx
>
> What is your opinion on this product?
> Does it really replace a (diy)co2 system?
Well, it's mentioned on the krib:
http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Fertilizer/snake-oil.html#1
I'm not able to find a definitive answer on ingredients, and the
purported manufacturer's website (http://www.cweissco.com/) doesn't
even list it as a product anymore. Caveat emptor.
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Date: 08 Jun 2005 00:12:06
From: Elaine T
Subject: Re: co2 replacement
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HammerJoe@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I found this:
>
> http://www.petsolutions.com/Natural+Aquarium+Vital-I-34165000-I-C-10143-C-.aspx
>
> What is your opinion on this product?
> Does it really replace a (diy)co2 system?
>
> Thanks
>
I don't know anything about the product you've pointed to, but I use
Flourish Excel instead of CO2 and would recommend it without hesitation.
Maybe this product is something similar. Flourish Excel comes close
to replacing DIY CO2 - Seachem says it's about 70% as good.
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Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__ ><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
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