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Date: 22 Oct 2004 09:04:22
From: Bill Stock
Subject: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I place
it in the tank?
I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the airline.
My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be producing
enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight yeast
smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing seal.
TIA
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Date: 23 Oct 2004 11:08:02
From: Bill Stock
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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"Bill Stock" <me7@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:ifednarPu-kWmOTcRVn-gQ@rogers.com...
> My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I
place
> it in the tank?
>
> I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the airline.
> My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be
producing
> enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight
yeast
> smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing seal.
>
> TIA
>
I'm beginning to think my check valve is the problem. If I squeeze my
reactor I get bubbles in the tank. Otherwise it sits there looking big and
fat with no bubbles. It hasn't exploded yet, so I must be getting periodic
farts of C02. I don't feel like sitting there for two hours to validate my
theory.
What brand of check valve is decent?
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 15:47:09
From: gdbj
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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I got a Nutrafin CO2 counter kit. I had to return 2 boxes to the store
before getting one that had all the pieces in it! I wonder if there is a
connection? hmm... quality control?
-gdbj
"Bill Stock" <me7@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:ifednarPu-kWmOTcRVn-gQ@rogers.com...
> My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I
place
> it in the tank?
>
> I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the airline.
> My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be
producing
> enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight
yeast
> smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing seal.
>
> TIA
>
>
>
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Date: 23 Oct 2004 14:09:03
From: Cichlidiot
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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gdbj <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:
> I got a Nutrafin CO2 counter kit. I had to return 2 boxes to the store
> before getting one that had all the pieces in it! I wonder if there is a
> connection? hmm... quality control?
Call me cynical, but I'd be more inclined to suspect theft at the retailer
than quality control issues at the manufacturer. It's not a sealed box, so
would be pretty easy for someone to sneak parts out. I suppose the boxes
could also accidently open during transport or such and lose items then.
But some retailers are having such an issue with theft of certain items
that they remove them to behind the counter. Anyways, like I said, it's
the cynical viewpoint, but from my experience, the three kits I got via a
mail order only shop had all the parts intact so it seems like the
manufacturer is packing everything correctly.
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Date: 26 Oct 2004 15:56:12
From: gdbj
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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yeah, you're probably right. I wonder why they don't seal the boxes?
g
"Cichlidiot" <fishlover@nospam.invalid > wrote in message
news:cldolv$mqh$1@skeeter.ucdavis.edu...
> gdbj <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > I got a Nutrafin CO2 counter kit. I had to return 2 boxes to the store
> > before getting one that had all the pieces in it! I wonder if there is
a
> > connection? hmm... quality control?
>
> Call me cynical, but I'd be more inclined to suspect theft at the retailer
> than quality control issues at the manufacturer. It's not a sealed box, so
> would be pretty easy for someone to sneak parts out. I suppose the boxes
> could also accidently open during transport or such and lose items then.
> But some retailers are having such an issue with theft of certain items
> that they remove them to behind the counter. Anyways, like I said, it's
> the cynical viewpoint, but from my experience, the three kits I got via a
> mail order only shop had all the parts intact so it seems like the
> manufacturer is packing everything correctly.
>
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Date: 28 Oct 2004 05:25:23
From: Cichlidiot
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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gdbj <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:
> yeah, you're probably right. I wonder why they don't seal the boxes?
Probably they don't think people would be stealing parts from such a low
priced item, so why bother sealing the box. But then AquaClears are pretty
low priced too and I've heard of part theft problems with them until Hagen
sealed the box.
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 20:17:31
From: Bill Stock
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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"gdbj" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:4tded.59326$JG5.998096@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I got a Nutrafin CO2 counter kit. I had to return 2 boxes to the store
> before getting one that had all the pieces in it! I wonder if there is a
> connection? hmm... quality control?
>
> -gdbj
Mine is cracked where the C02 bubbles come out of the hose.
> "Bill Stock" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:ifednarPu-kWmOTcRVn-gQ@rogers.com...
> > My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I
> place
> > it in the tank?
> >
> > I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the
airline.
> > My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be
> producing
> > enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight
> yeast
> > smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing seal.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 11:36:35
From: Dmitri Priimak
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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My guess is that you CO2 must be leaking somewhere. Even though you O.J.
container is swollen it may not have enough pressure because it could be
leaking at the cup. I had this problem. You can solve it by using thread
seal tape. Also, if you have a check valve between you yeast bottle and
diffuser you my want to submerge in a cup of watter and see if your CO2
escapes there. Basically any connector may leak and you may want to
check them all until you find a problem.
Dmitri Priimak
Bill Stock wrote:
> My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I place
> it in the tank?
>
> I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the airline.
> My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be producing
> enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight yeast
> smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing seal.
>
> TIA
>
>
>
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 20:16:32
From: Bill Stock
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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"Dmitri Priimak" <priimak@Stanford.EDU > wrote in message
news:clbjmb$3pb$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
> My guess is that you CO2 must be leaking somewhere. Even though you O.J.
> container is swollen it may not have enough pressure because it could be
> leaking at the cup. I had this problem. You can solve it by using thread
> seal tape. Also, if you have a check valve between you yeast bottle and
> diffuser you my want to submerge in a cup of watter and see if your CO2
> escapes there. Basically any connector may leak and you may want to
> check them all until you find a problem.
>
Thanks,
I siliconed my check valve into the top of the container. So the CV is
inside the OJ container and the nipple sticks through the lid. Could be the
lid or the CV leaking. I also noticed that it takes a LOT of pressure
through the CV to produce bubbles in the tank. I tested this by blowing on
the check valve.
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Date: 23 Oct 2004 13:36:21
From: Dmitri Priimak
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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Bill Stock wrote:
> "Dmitri Priimak" <priimak@Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
> news:clbjmb$3pb$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
>>My guess is that you CO2 must be leaking somewhere. Even though you O.J.
>>container is swollen it may not have enough pressure because it could be
>>leaking at the cup. I had this problem. You can solve it by using thread
>>seal tape. Also, if you have a check valve between you yeast bottle and
>>diffuser you my want to submerge in a cup of watter and see if your CO2
>>escapes there. Basically any connector may leak and you may want to
>>check them all until you find a problem.
>>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> I siliconed my check valve into the top of the container. So the CV is
> inside the OJ container and the nipple sticks through the lid. Could be the
> lid or the CV leaking.
My guess is that it is lid. Use thread seal tape.
> I also noticed that it takes a LOT of pressure
> through the CV to produce bubbles in the tank. I tested this by blowing on
> the check valve.
I am not sure that it would make any difference once the steady pressure
established.
However my first check valve was also quite tight (you've got the spring
loaded one, isn't) and I replaced it with the another one less tight.
--
Dmitri Priimak
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 15:36:35
From: Gerryc
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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Bill Stock Wrote:
> My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I
> place
> it in the tank?
>
> I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the
> airline.
> My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be
> producing
> enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight
> yeast
> smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing
> seal.
>
> TIA
Make sure the device is completely submerged - other that that I don't
think it matters how deep you place it (you could argue that the deeper
it is placed, the more time there is for escaping bubbles from the top
of the device to be absorbed, but I would say the benefit of this is
negligible)
It can take up to 72 hours from the time the device is primed to when
the first bubbles make an appearance. If you think you have a leak,
try painting some children's bubble mix around the seal to see if gas
is escaping.
--
Gerryc
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 13:20:53
From: Bill Stock
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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"Gerryc" <Gerryc.1ejc7m@news.gardenbanter.co.uk > wrote in message
news:Gerryc.1ejc7m@news.gardenbanter.co.uk...
>
> Bill Stock Wrote:
> > My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I
> > place
> > it in the tank?
> >
> > I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the
> > airline.
> > My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be
> > producing
> > enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight
> > yeast
> > smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing
> > seal.
> >
> > TIA
>
> Make sure the device is completely submerged - other that that I don't
> think it matters how deep you place it (you could argue that the deeper
> it is placed, the more time there is for escaping bubbles from the top
> of the device to be absorbed, but I would say the benefit of this is
> negligible)
>
> It can take up to 72 hours from the time the device is primed to when
> the first bubbles make an appearance. If you think you have a leak,
> try painting some children's bubble mix around the seal to see if gas
> is escaping.
Thanks Gerry,
What do you mean by primed, yeast mixed? No directions like I said.
I guess Catnip bubble mix will have to do for my test. :)
>
> --
> Gerryc
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 21:38:50
From: Brian S.
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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Yeast takes a while to completely be ready to start using the mixture.
Just making sure, but are you using yeast in sugar water? The yeast will
use the sugar to create the Co2.
In addition to that, the space between the top of your bottle and the water
line is oxygen, so the yeast will have to use up all that oxygen before the
major Co2 starts.
Brian S.
"Bill Stock" <me7@privacy.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Gerryc" <Gerryc.1ejc7m@news.gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Gerryc.1ejc7m@news.gardenbanter.co.uk...
> >
> > Bill Stock Wrote:
> > > My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should I
> > > place
> > > it in the tank?
> > >
> > > I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the
> > > airline.
> > > My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be
> > > producing
> > > enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a slight
> > > yeast
> > > smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing
> > > seal.
> > >
> > > TIA
> >
> > Make sure the device is completely submerged - other that that I don't
> > think it matters how deep you place it (you could argue that the deeper
> > it is placed, the more time there is for escaping bubbles from the top
> > of the device to be absorbed, but I would say the benefit of this is
> > negligible)
> >
> > It can take up to 72 hours from the time the device is primed to when
> > the first bubbles make an appearance. If you think you have a leak,
> > try painting some children's bubble mix around the seal to see if gas
> > is escaping.
>
> Thanks Gerry,
>
> What do you mean by primed, yeast mixed? No directions like I said.
>
> I guess Catnip bubble mix will have to do for my test. :)
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Gerryc
>
>
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Date: 22 Oct 2004 20:11:52
From: Bill Stock
Subject: Re: Nutrafin Bubble Counter
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"Brian S." <newsNOSPAM@NOSPAM.vtdj.com > wrote in message
news:J5fed.410164$mD.165847@attbi_s02...
> Yeast takes a while to completely be ready to start using the mixture.
>
> Just making sure, but are you using yeast in sugar water? The yeast will
> use the sugar to create the Co2.
>
> In addition to that, the space between the top of your bottle and the
water
> line is oxygen, so the yeast will have to use up all that oxygen before
the
> major Co2 starts.
>
> Brian S.
Thanks Brian,
I was wondering how much space to leave at the top of the bottle. Maybe I
should have made a double batch.
> "Bill Stock" <me7@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:IradnRBHLPQ33OTcRVn-1w@rogers.com...
> >
> > "Gerryc" <Gerryc.1ejc7m@news.gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:Gerryc.1ejc7m@news.gardenbanter.co.uk...
> > >
> > > Bill Stock Wrote:
> > > > My bubble counter did not come with any directions. How deep should
I
> > > > place
> > > > it in the tank?
> > > >
> > > > I'm not getting any bubbles and there is about 6" of water in the
> > > > airline.
> > > > My C02 reactor (O.J. Container) is swolen but does not seem to be
> > > > producing
> > > > enough pressure to force the water out of the tube. I noticed a
slight
> > > > yeast
> > > > smell around the container, so I may have a leak around my tubing
> > > > seal.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > >
> > > Make sure the device is completely submerged - other that that I don't
> > > think it matters how deep you place it (you could argue that the
deeper
> > > it is placed, the more time there is for escaping bubbles from the top
> > > of the device to be absorbed, but I would say the benefit of this is
> > > negligible)
> > >
> > > It can take up to 72 hours from the time the device is primed to when
> > > the first bubbles make an appearance. If you think you have a leak,
> > > try painting some children's bubble mix around the seal to see if gas
> > > is escaping.
> >
> > Thanks Gerry,
> >
> > What do you mean by primed, yeast mixed? No directions like I said.
> >
> > I guess Catnip bubble mix will have to do for my test. :)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gerryc
> >
> >
>
>
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