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Date: 31 May 2004 00:26:35
From: Big Tone
Subject: New Tank
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Hi all, I've just set up a bigger tank for my coldwater fish, I had to
get a brand new filter for the bigger tank, When I filled the tank I used
half the water from the existing tank that the fish are in (did a partial
change whilst I was at it), how long should I wait before transfering the
fish to their new home?????
Many thnks in advance
Big Tone
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Date: 02 Jun 2004 20:17:50
From: sophie
Subject: Re: New Tank
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In message <40BD8D29.A8FA8530@Freezer.com >, Geezer From The Freezer
<Geezer@Freezer.com > writes
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>sophie wrote:
>> I haven't seen fancies overwintered in ponds round here, I have to say.
>> The commons and shubunkins and comets seem to do well, though; I think
>> perhaps in the UK we tend to keep only the"plainer" goldfish outdoors. I
>> might well be wrong, though.
>
>Our weather in the UK is probably a bit too volatile to keep fancies in
>a pond without a decent heater.
I prefer bigger fish outside, I have to say. And a lot of ponds are a
little on the murky side to do justice to most fancies, I would imagine.
If I didn't have small children and a local heron, I'd be keeping fish
in the garden; I love goldfish in ponds, and the aquatics shop had some
really incredibly beautiful dark grey koi with bright gold edges -
although I'd probably have to sacrifice the vegetable patch to keep koi.
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sophie
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Date: 02 Jun 2004 09:17:45
From: Geezer From The Freezer
Subject: Re: New Tank
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sophie wrote:
> I haven't seen fancies overwintered in ponds round here, I have to say.
> The commons and shubunkins and comets seem to do well, though; I think
> perhaps in the UK we tend to keep only the"plainer" goldfish outdoors. I
> might well be wrong, though.
Our weather in the UK is probably a bit too volatile to keep fancies in
a pond without a decent heater.
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Date: 01 Jun 2004 10:21:19
From: sophie
Subject: Re: New Tank
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In message <40bfe530.114991774@news-server.wi.rr.com >,
dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com writes
>yes, moors and orandas are GF.
>yes, out in the pond GF can deal with a lot higher and lower temps,
>even fancy GF (of
>course, that is where they are bred and raised). But fancy GF dont do
>great under
>the ice. I have always had die offs in severe winters even though a
>hole was kept
>open and airstones were kept going. the deeper the body, the longer
>the fins, the
>less able they are dealing with really cold temps.
>I even keep my koi "warm" now in winter with a heat in their pond. Ingrid
I haven't seen fancies overwintered in ponds round here, I have to say.
The commons and shubunkins and comets seem to do well, though; I think
perhaps in the UK we tend to keep only the"plainer" goldfish outdoors. I
might well be wrong, though.
>
>sophie <sophie-usenetNOSPAMTHANKYOU@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <EsPuc.486$cN.436@newsfe2-win>, Big Tone
>><bigtone69@skidders.ntlworld.com> writes
>>>No, not GF, I have a Black Moor, an Oranda and a butterfly (hillstream)
>>>loach, going into the new tank, I'll use the old tank, a hexagonal 15 litre
>>>tank, as a nursing tank in case of emergencies, whether from my coldwater
>>>fish or my tropical tank
>>>
>>>Big Tone
>>
>>Aren't Moors and Orandas goldfish??
>>
>>I also get a confused by "goldfish aren't coldwater fish". As I
>>understand it goldfish can deal with a huge temperature range; and as
>>they're often kept in ponds they need to - I know quite a lot of large,
>>old goldfish who live happily in ponds where the summer temperature is
>>often pretty warm and where the winter brings ice and snow. They're
>>fairly torpid under ice, admittedly; but that's extreme. I imagine
>>they're happiest somewhere in the middle - the temperature I keep seeing
>>quoted is 70-74 fahrenheit (and I wish they'd tell me in celsius!)
>
>
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Date: 01 Jun 2004 00:16:12
From: sophie
Subject: Re: New Tank
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In message <EsPuc.486$cN.436@newsfe2-win >, Big Tone
<bigtone69@skidders.ntlworld.com > writes
>No, not GF, I have a Black Moor, an Oranda and a butterfly (hillstream)
>loach, going into the new tank, I'll use the old tank, a hexagonal 15 litre
>tank, as a nursing tank in case of emergencies, whether from my coldwater
>fish or my tropical tank
>
>Big Tone
Aren't Moors and Orandas goldfish??
I also get a confused by "goldfish aren't coldwater fish". As I
understand it goldfish can deal with a huge temperature range; and as
they're often kept in ponds they need to - I know quite a lot of large,
old goldfish who live happily in ponds where the summer temperature is
often pretty warm and where the winter brings ice and snow. They're
fairly torpid under ice, admittedly; but that's extreme. I imagine
they're happiest somewhere in the middle - the temperature I keep seeing
quoted is 70-74 fahrenheit (and I wish they'd tell me in celsius!)
>
>
>"Jan Sacharuk" <jan@dontspamme.chloris.ca> wrote in message
>news:slrncbncst.13pr.jan@localhost.chloris.ca...
>> In article <40be59f9.79346676@news-server.wi.rr.com>, dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com
>wrote:
>> > what kind of coldwater fish? not GF, cause GF are not cold water
>> > fish.
>>
>> I thought the definition of 'cold water fish' was that the fish will
>> live in a tank with no heater. 'Tropical' fish are fish that require a
>> heater on the tank. Location matters somewhat - in tropical areas,
>> tropical fish may not require a heater on the tank because the ambient
>> temperature is high enough anyway. At least, that's what my fish books
>> say. :P
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> --
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>> or maybe just happy. - Nirvana, Dumb
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>>
>>
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>
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sophie
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Date: 01 Jun 2004 02:11:28
From:
Subject: Re: New Tank
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yes, moors and orandas are GF.
yes, out in the pond GF can deal with a lot higher and lower temps, even fancy GF (of
course, that is where they are bred and raised). But fancy GF dont do great under
the ice. I have always had die offs in severe winters even though a hole was kept
open and airstones were kept going. the deeper the body, the longer the fins, the
less able they are dealing with really cold temps.
I even keep my koi "warm" now in winter with a heat in their pond. Ingrid
sophie <sophie-usenetNOSPAMTHANKYOU@blueyonder.co.uk > wrote:
>In message <EsPuc.486$cN.436@newsfe2-win>, Big Tone
><bigtone69@skidders.ntlworld.com> writes
>>No, not GF, I have a Black Moor, an Oranda and a butterfly (hillstream)
>>loach, going into the new tank, I'll use the old tank, a hexagonal 15 litre
>>tank, as a nursing tank in case of emergencies, whether from my coldwater
>>fish or my tropical tank
>>
>>Big Tone
>
>Aren't Moors and Orandas goldfish??
>
>I also get a confused by "goldfish aren't coldwater fish". As I
>understand it goldfish can deal with a huge temperature range; and as
>they're often kept in ponds they need to - I know quite a lot of large,
>old goldfish who live happily in ponds where the summer temperature is
>often pretty warm and where the winter brings ice and snow. They're
>fairly torpid under ice, admittedly; but that's extreme. I imagine
>they're happiest somewhere in the middle - the temperature I keep seeing
>quoted is 70-74 fahrenheit (and I wish they'd tell me in celsius!)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.
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Date: 31 May 2004 16:16:47
From:
Subject: Re: New Tank
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what kind of coldwater fish? not GF, cause GF are not cold water fish.
there is little to nothing in the water you move. if you have treated the new tank
with a salt brine and rinsed well, then filling it up and running the filter and
airstones for 24 hours is fine before moving the fish over. if you want to move teh
fish with biofilter intact then you need to move the old filters contents into the
new filter and watch for ammonia very carefully. Ingrid
"Big Tone" <bigtone69@skidders.ntlworld.com > wrote:
> Hi all, I've just set up a bigger tank for my coldwater fish, I had to
>get a brand new filter for the bigger tank, When I filled the tank I used
>half the water from the existing tank that the fish are in (did a partial
>change whilst I was at it), how long should I wait before transfering the
>fish to their new home?????
>
> Many thnks in advance
>
>
> Big Tone
>
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.
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Date: 31 May 2004 22:36:42
From: Jan Sacharuk
Subject: Re: New Tank
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In article <40be59f9.79346676@news-server.wi.rr.com >, dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com wrote:
> what kind of coldwater fish? not GF, cause GF are not cold water
> fish.
I thought the definition of 'cold water fish' was that the fish will
live in a tank with no heater. 'Tropical' fish are fish that require a
heater on the tank. Location matters somewhat - in tropical areas,
tropical fish may not require a heater on the tank because the ambient
temperature is high enough anyway. At least, that's what my fish books
say. :P
Jan
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========================= jan@chloris.ca ========================
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Turn on viewing of the X-Geek-Code header to see my Geek Code
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I'm not like them, but I can pretend. The sun has gone, but I have
a light. The day is done, but I'm having fun. I think I'm dumb,
or maybe just happy. - Nirvana, Dumb
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Date: 01 Jun 2004 09:13:05
From: Geezer From The Freezer
Subject: Re: New Tank
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Black Moor and Oranda are goldfish!!
Big Tone wrote:
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> No, not GF, I have a Black Moor, an Oranda and a butterfly (hillstream)
> loach, going into the new tank, I'll use the old tank, a hexagonal 15 litre
> tank, as a nursing tank in case of emergencies, whether from my coldwater
> fish or my tropical tank
>
> Big Tone
>
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Date: 31 May 2004 01:18:41
From: cabaloz
Subject: Re: New Tank
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If your filter media is new as well as the gravel/sand etc., you'll need to
wait until the tank cycles, around 4 weeks, until you can add the new
residents.
k
"Big Tone" <bigtone69@skidders.ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:uVuuc.646$ps4.369@newsfe3-gui...
> Hi all, I've just set up a bigger tank for my coldwater fish, I had
to
> get a brand new filter for the bigger tank, When I filled the tank I used
> half the water from the existing tank that the fish are in (did a partial
> change whilst I was at it), how long should I wait before transfering the
> fish to their new home?????
>
> Many thnks in advance
>
>
> Big Tone
>
>
>
>
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