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Date: 10 Mar 2007 07:43:27
From: Angel Fish
Subject: Trolls didn't ruin the group, idiots without self restraint ruined the group
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stop feeding the trolls, kill file them and move on, they change nyms,
killfile again and ignore
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 12:11:24
From: Tynk
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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On 12, 1:46=EF=BF=BDpm, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net > wrote:
> I have the German Blue and so far they seem to be doing ok in my
> Chicago water which is a bit hard. =A0We shall see, I have not had them
> very long (3-4 weeks).
Oh hey neighbor!
I'm about 45 minutes out of Chicago. =3D )
If you have Lake Michigan water, you're probably fine.
I have city well in my town and it's liquid rock. =3D (
I'm guessig since you've had yours for 3-4 weeks now you've already
done water changes with them.
This was when I had troubles. The slight difference in water chemistry
after a water change is what did mine in.
I tried with 3 different pairs, and each time they woud die after the
first water change.
Our town is getting ion exchange facilities because of the levels of
radium in it and it's said these will soften the water some. How much
so, we'll see. If it's enough to keep Blue rams again, YEA!! If not,
oh well. Back to not being able to.
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 14:32:44
From: cailinsdad
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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On 12 2007 12:11:24 -0700, "Tynk" <TYNK7@aol.com > wrote:
>On 12, 1:46?pm, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> I have the German Blue and so far they seem to be doing ok in my
>> Chicago water which is a bit hard. e shall see, I have not had them
>> very long (3-4 weeks).
>
>Oh hey neighbor!
>I'm about 45 minutes out of Chicago. = )
I'm in Brookfield about 6 blocks from the Zoo.
>If you have Lake Michigan water, you're probably fine.
>I have city well in my town and it's liquid rock. = (
>I'm guessig since you've had yours for 3-4 weeks now you've already
>done water changes with them.
Yes we have lake water. They were in the tanks at the LFS for a
couple of weeks before I grabbed them so I assumed they were healthy
and would do ok in our water.
>This was when I had troubles. The slight difference in water chemistry
>after a water change is what did mine in.
>I tried with 3 different pairs, and each time they woud die after the
>first water change.
>Our town is getting ion exchange facilities because of the levels of
>radium in it and it's said these will soften the water some. How much
>so, we'll see. If it's enough to keep Blue rams again, YEA!! If not,
>oh well. Back to not being able to.
I will let you know how it goes. I have had difficulty keeping some
soft water fish in the past. I have never had much luck with
cardinals for instance but the rummynose seem to do ok.
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 09:32:47
From: Tynk
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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On 12, 8:26=EF=BF=BDam, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net > wrote:
> On 11 2007 09:58:06 -0700, "Tynk" <T...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On 11, 10:28?am, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >Do you have any fish?
> >If so, let's talk about what they are, what size tank you have, and
> >all that good stuff. =A0=3D )
>
> Hi, Yes I do.
>
> I have 3 tanks. =A0A 20 gal long that currently houses my daughters
> African Clawed Frogs, a 29 gallon planted tank with a half dozen
> rummynose and a pair of rams. =A0I also have a 55 gallon which I
> formerly used to house African cichlids, but it is dormant in my
> garage right now. =A0I was thinking of setting it up in my boys' room
> with fancy goldfish.
Very cool!
Are the frogs your daughter has the actual Clawed frogs, or are they
the Dwarf African Frogs?
I ask because they can get *very* large. You may have to hold onto
that 55g for them (depending on how many she has).
If it were the dwarves, they stay small.
I usually have seveal of the Dwarf variety in my household.
My daughter has had 3 for a very long time, but 2 of them recently
died. She still has one little female and I have to get her some more.
They prefer to have at least a few of their own kind around them, so
I'm sure being alone is miserable for her.
What kind of rams do you have in the 29? Bolivian or German Blue?
I love the Blue's. I once had a pair, but they do not tolerate hard
water at all. They acclimated just fine (using the drip method), even
spawned in tank/ However, after a water change they both died. I found
they are very sensitive to water changes and they're quite hard to
keep in hard water.
Many soft water fishes adapt quite well to harder water, but not so
much the Blues.
Your idea of giving fancy Goldies a 55g would be lovely (unless your
daughter's frogs don't need it).
Do you know how to tell the difference between the dwarf and true
clawed frogs?
I'm asking you about the frogs because I have seen (very often too!)
the 2 species labled incorrectly at many shops, or pet departments.
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 13:46:56
From: cailinsdad
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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On 12 2007 09:32:47 -0700, "Tynk" <TYNK7@aol.com > wrote:
>On 12, 8:26?am, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 11 2007 09:58:06 -0700, "Tynk" <T...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11, 10:28?am, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you have any fish?
>> >If so, let's talk about what they are, what size tank you have, and
>> >all that good stuff. = )
>>
>> Hi, Yes I do.
>>
>> I have 3 tanks.
20 gal long that currently houses my daughters
>> African Clawed Frogs, a 29 gallon planted tank with a half dozen
>> rummynose and a pair of rams. also have a 55 gallon which I
>> formerly used to house African cichlids, but it is dormant in my
>> garage right now. was thinking of setting it up in my boys' room
>> with fancy goldfish.
>
>Very cool!
>Are the frogs your daughter has the actual Clawed frogs, or are they
>the Dwarf African Frogs?
>I ask because they can get *very* large. You may have to hold onto
>that 55g for them (depending on how many she has).
No, they are the big ones. I only have two of them in a 20 gallon and
I can already see that they might grow out of that! I was actually
thinking about using the 55!
>If it were the dwarves, they stay small.
>I usually have seveal of the Dwarf variety in my household.
>My daughter has had 3 for a very long time, but 2 of them recently
>died. She still has one little female and I have to get her some more.
>They prefer to have at least a few of their own kind around them, so
>I'm sure being alone is miserable for her.
>What kind of rams do you have in the 29? Bolivian or German Blue?
>I love the Blue's. I once had a pair, but they do not tolerate hard
>water at all. They acclimated just fine (using the drip method), even
>spawned in tank/ However, after a water change they both died. I found
>they are very sensitive to water changes and they're quite hard to
>keep in hard water.
>Many soft water fishes adapt quite well to harder water, but not so
>much the Blues.
I have the German Blue and so far they seem to be doing ok in my
Chicago water which is a bit hard. We shall see, I have not had them
very long (3-4 weeks).
>Your idea of giving fancy Goldies a 55g would be lovely (unless your
>daughter's frogs don't need it).
>Do you know how to tell the difference between the dwarf and true
>clawed frogs?
>I'm asking you about the frogs because I have seen (very often too!)
>the 2 species labled incorrectly at many shops, or pet departments.
My frogs started as tadpoles from Grow-A-Frog. They are without
question the large Xenopus. After a year the male is already 2-3
inches and the female 4 inches.
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Date: 11 Mar 2007 13:30:02
From: Tynk
Subject: Got fish??
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Cailinsdad:
Do you have any fish?
If so, let's talk about what they are, what size tank you have, and
all that good stuff. = )
Ignore the other "stuff".
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Date: 11 Mar 2007 09:58:06
From: Tynk
Subject: Got fish??
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On 11, 10:28?am, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net > wrote:
Do you have any fish?
If so, let's talk about what they are, what size tank you have, and
all that good stuff. = )
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 08:26:19
From: cailinsdad
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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On 11 2007 09:58:06 -0700, "Tynk" <TYNK7@aol.com > wrote:
>On 11, 10:28?am, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>Do you have any fish?
>If so, let's talk about what they are, what size tank you have, and
>all that good stuff. = )
Hi, Yes I do.
I have 3 tanks. A 20 gal long that currently houses my daughters
African Clawed Frogs, a 29 gallon planted tank with a half dozen
rummynose and a pair of rams. I also have a 55 gallon which I
formerly used to house African cichlids, but it is dormant in my
garage right now. I was thinking of setting it up in my boys' room
with fancy goldfish.
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 15:02:54
From: Gail Futoran
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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I recently added 18 fish to three of my
tanks (6 per tank). I have one 30 gallon
long, three 20 gallon longs.
The new fish are young Corydoras
habrosus, less than 1/2" each. One of my
local fish stores finally got some in. I've
been waiting for about two years. I love
these "pygmy" cories but they're really
hard to find locally.
My tanks are all heavily planted and have
mostly small fish. The largest fish are two
YoYo loaches in one of the 20G tanks, and
I didn't put any of the C. habrosus in there.
I have four or five C. pygmaeus in the 30G
tank. I seldom see them. They like to hide
out in a C. wendtii "forest" at the back of
the tank. It's a pleasure to see them on
the rare occasions they come out while I
happen to be looking. I'm seeing them more
often now that they have similarly-sized
friends to hang with.
Other fish in all tank include various
regular-sized cories, otocinclus, several
different small tetras, kuhli loaches in the
30G, and Skunk botia in the 20Gs (not
the one that has YoYo loaches).
Looking at the tanks from a distance, you
tend to see only the plants. But I like it
like that.
Gail
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 15:42:45
From: Gill Passman
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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Gail Futoran wrote:
> The new fish are young Corydoras
> habrosus, less than 1/2" each. One of my
> local fish stores finally got some in. I've
> been waiting for about two years. I love
> these "pygmy" cories but they're really
> hard to find locally.
They sound fun - I've not seen them around here (UK) either.....the
smallest cories usually on sale are the pandas - great for a small tank
and so full of character....
>
> My tanks are all heavily planted and have
> mostly small fish. The largest fish are two
> YoYo loaches in one of the 20G tanks, and
> I didn't put any of the C. habrosus in there.
Good planning - the Yoyos would almost certainly outcompete the cories
for food...
>
> I have four or five C. pygmaeus in the 30G
> tank. I seldom see them. They like to hide
> out in a C. wendtii "forest" at the back of
> the tank. It's a pleasure to see them on
> the rare occasions they come out while I
> happen to be looking. I'm seeing them more
> often now that they have similarly-sized
> friends to hang with.
>
> Other fish in all tank include various
> regular-sized cories, otocinclus, several
> different small tetras, kuhli loaches in the
> 30G, and Skunk botia in the 20Gs (not
> the one that has YoYo loaches).
Sounds like you love your bottom feeders - me too :-) Small tetras also
look great in large numbers in a planted tank as they weave in and out
of the plants. I've got around 20 Neons (along with a few rummy noses
and some flame rasboras) in my largest tank (135g) and they weave in and
out of the vallis all today.....I'm down to just two Neons in my 4 foot
tank at the moment (need to get some more) - yet the flash of colour is
great to see....
>
> Looking at the tanks from a distance, you
> tend to see only the plants. But I like it
> like that.
My 4 foot tank is a bit like that at the moment - got a rampant sword in
there that is taking over......I tend to stock the tank with brightly
coloured fish so that you get a flash of colour when they swim past - my
latest editions were 6 Orange Tiger Barbs - they just look amazing
against the lush green of the plants.....
gill
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 14:06:14
From: cailinsdad
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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On Mon, 12 2007 15:42:45 +0000, Gill Passman
<gillnospamat@gillsfish.co.uk > wrote:
>> The new fish are young Corydoras
>> habrosus, less than 1/2" each. One of my
>> local fish stores finally got some in. I've
>> been waiting for about two years. I love
>> these "pygmy" cories but they're really
>> hard to find locally.
>
>They sound fun - I've not seen them around here (UK) either.....the
>smallest cories usually on sale are the pandas - great for a small tank
>and so full of character....
I'm thinking I may add a few pandas to my 29 gallon tank. I need a few
corys or some freshwater inverts.
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 18:10:22
From: Gail Futoran
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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"Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@gillsfish.co.uk > wrote in message
news:45f5746b$0$765$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
[assorted snips ahoy]
> Gail Futoran wrote:
>
>> The new fish are young Corydoras
>> habrosus, less than 1/2" each. One of my
>> local fish stores finally got some in. I've
>> been waiting for about two years. I love
>> these "pygmy" cories but they're really
>> hard to find locally.
>
> They sound fun - I've not seen them around here (UK) either.....the
> smallest cories usually on sale are the pandas - great for a small
> tank and so full of character....
I've tried Pandas but killed them off. Not
sure what the problem was.
I forgot to mention that I have two African
Dwarf Frogs (the gray ones that stay small)
in the 30G. They're a lot of fun to watch.
> Good planning - the Yoyos would almost certainly outcompete the
> cories for food...
YoYos are certainly very active! They are my
kittens' favorite entertainment besides catnip
toys. Fortunately the tops on the tanks are
quite secure. :)
> Sounds like you love your bottom feeders - me too :-) Small tetras
> also look great in large numbers in a planted tank as they weave in
> and out of the plants. I've got around 20 Neons (along with a few
> rummy noses and some flame rasboras) in my largest tank (135g) and
> they weave in and out of the vallis all today.....I'm down to just
> two Neons in my 4 foot tank at the moment (need to get some more) -
> yet the flash of colour is great to see....
Yep, I love the bottom feeders, mostly I
suspect because they are pretty hardy.
I really like dwarf Gouramis but for some
reason can't keep them alive for long and
gave up getting more several years ago. I
have a few Neon Tetras in one 20G and
I'd love to have more, but they don't seem
to do well. Or, like Otos, some do quite
well and others croak quickly.
>> Looking at the tanks from a distance, you
>> tend to see only the plants. But I like it
>> like that.
>
> My 4 foot tank is a bit like that at the moment - got a rampant
> sword in there that is taking over......I tend to stock the tank
> with brightly coloured fish so that you get a flash of colour when
> they swim past - my latest editions were 6 Orange Tiger Barbs - they
> just look amazing against the lush green of the plants.....
>
> gill
That sounds lovely. I think if I were
starting all over again, I might do more of
what you did in terms of fish selection,
but I'm content with the fish I have.
Gail
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 19:46:28
From: Gill Passman
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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Gail Futoran wrote:
>
> I've tried Pandas but killed them off. Not
> sure what the problem was.
I've heard that they can be delicate and will confess to having killed
off a few myself :-( I put it down to them not being able to compete
with the Clown and Yoyo Loaches for food.....one day I will try them
again. The only cories we have right now are a trio of Bronze Cories in
my son's tank....
>
> YoYos are certainly very active! They are my
> kittens' favorite entertainment besides catnip
> toys. Fortunately the tops on the tanks are
> quite secure. :)
My cat goes nuts watching the Clown Loaches.....
> Yep, I love the bottom feeders, mostly I
> suspect because they are pretty hardy.
Well, once established yes....I had quite a few losses when I first
started to keep Yoyos....and just don't talk to me about Clown Loaches
and ich :-(
> I really like dwarf Gouramis but for some
> reason can't keep them alive for long and
> gave up getting more several years ago.
I have also given up on the Dwarf Gouramis....but I did actually manage
to instigate some research by Practical Fishkeeping Magazine as to why
these fish are so short lived....the links are:-
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/blog.php?blogid=66
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1139
> I
> have a few Neon Tetras in one 20G and
> I'd love to have more, but they don't seem
> to do well. Or, like Otos, some do quite
> well and others croak quickly.
I find that with Neons as well.....I lost loads to NTD when I first put
a school in the 6 foot tank....same with otos - if they survive the
initial acclimitization they then seem to go on forever....
>
>
> That sounds lovely. I think if I were
> starting all over again, I might do more of
> what you did in terms of fish selection,
> but I'm content with the fish I have.
It has taken over 2 years for me to be happy with the fish mix - the
tank has had a number of "configurations" fishwise - some down to deaths
but also on a more positive note through my moving them......what I did
was replace any losses with fish that I thought would fit in with the
plants rather than buying the same fish over and over.....
Gill
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 15:45:58
From: Gail Futoran
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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"Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@gillsfish.co.uk > wrote in message
news:45f5ad8a$0$765$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> Gail Futoran wrote:
>
>>
>> I've tried Pandas but killed them off. Not
>> sure what the problem was.
>
> I've heard that they can be delicate and will confess to having
> killed off a few myself :-( I put it down to them not being able to
> compete with the Clown and Yoyo Loaches for food.....one day I will
> try them again. The only cories we have right now are a trio of
> Bronze Cories in my son's tank....
I have speckled Cories (I'm blanking on
their actual names) in with the YoYos and
the Cories do just fine. As do the Otos.
I probably tend to overfeed.
>> YoYos are certainly very active! They are my
>> kittens' favorite entertainment besides catnip
>> toys. Fortunately the tops on the tanks are
>> quite secure. :)
>
> My cat goes nuts watching the Clown Loaches.....
I'll bet they do! I have 6 cats, and it's only
the two kittens (now rather old kittens -
about 9 months) that use the tanks as a
kitten entertainment center. I suppose the
adult cats (2-6 years of age) are too
dignified for that. :)
>> Yep, I love the bottom feeders, mostly I
>> suspect because they are pretty hardy.
>
> Well, once established yes....I had quite a few losses when I first
> > started to keep Yoyos....and just don't talk to me about Clown
> Loaches and ich :-(
Never had Clowns. Skunk botias do very
well in my tanks. I lost one once that got
stuck in an ornament before I noticed what
was going on, otherwise they just keep
chugging along. They do a nice job of
keeping the snails to a manageable level.
The kuhli loaches in my 30G are useless
in that regard (snails), but are so much fun
to watch I don't really care.
> I have also given up on the Dwarf Gouramis....but I did actually
> manage to instigate some research by Practical Fishkeeping Magazine
> as to why these fish are so short lived....the links are:-
>
> http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/blog.php?blogid=66
> http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1139
Thanks for the links. I hadn't known about
that virus. It could explain why I kept
losing dwarf gouramis. My water tends to
be on the hard side, and that might also be
a contributing factor.
> It has taken over 2 years for me to be happy with the fish mix - the
> tank has had a number of "configurations" fishwise - some down to
> deaths but also on a more positive note through my moving
> them......what I did was replace any losses with fish that I thought
> would fit in with the plants rather than buying the same fish over
> and over.....
>
> Gill
Sounds like the process I went through.
I started out with a non-planted 10 gallon
and over the years upgraded to the
planted tanks I now have. Probably the
only fish species that stayed the same were
the cories.
A neat thing about reading these newsgroups
is that I got introduced to fish that I never
heard of before, that are common fish,
and do very well in my conditions. E.g.,
otocinclus and skunk botia. I believe I
also got into planted tanks by reading the
newsgroups. It's a cool hobby, whatever
choices one makes about plants & fish.
Gail
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Date: 11 Mar 2007 11:22:47
From: Tristin
Subject: Re: Got fish??
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Dunno where to start....
Oh, I have a buyer for my "ex" Petco setup . The local mom and pop LFS
here is wanting to purchase the entire nine yards from me, as they
want to upgrade their fishroom. Its been like it is for 30+ years.
They have 2 x 4 and plywood frames with ros of tanks setting on them
with a walk behind section to access plumbing etc......I had mentioned
I have the entire 9 yards from a Petco store setup in my barns feed
room (well I only have about 1/2 of it all setup) and they are most
interested in buying it ALL form me. I have nore tanks thanany one
person needs and by rights I probably could be a fish shop. I am
finding out there is a feasible limit with everything. So more than
likely it will start to get moved out of here next week or so.....
On 11 2007 09:58:06 -0700, "Tynk" <TYNK7@aol.com > wrote:
<< >>On 11, 10:28?am, cailinsdad <denisen...@nospam.net> wrote:
<< >>
<< >>Do you have any fish?
<< >>If so, let's talk about what they are, what size tank you have, and
<< >>all that good stuff. = )
-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
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Date: 11 Mar 2007 10:28:14
From: cailinsdad
Subject: Re: Trolls didn't ruin the group, idiots without self restraint ruined the group
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On 10 2007 07:43:27 GMT, Angel Fish <fishy@pondwater.org > wrote:
>
>stop feeding the trolls, kill file them and move on, they change nyms,
>killfile again and ignore
Seconded. Even on topic threads are hi-jacked by those who feel it
necessary to flame every post by the opposing side. It saddens me to
see knowledgeable people from other forums participating in this
nonsense.
I may be new to the hobby, but most of the people in the aquaria
newsgroups act as if they are new to Usenet.
Anyone participating in this ongoing flame war is at fault for ruining
these groups. Nobody's "cause" is worth the rendering the group
useless to people interested in the topic.
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Date: 11 Mar 2007 13:24:14
From: Reel McKoi
Subject: Re: Trolls didn't ruin the group, idiots without self restraint ruined the group
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"cailinsdad" <denisendan@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:gg78v2tsd5gmmlnlpvt1i8ml6567vl1lmm@4ax.com...
> On 10 2007 07:43:27 GMT, Angel Fish <fishy@pondwater.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>stop feeding the trolls, kill file them and move on, they change nyms,
>>killfile again and ignore
>
> Seconded. Even on topic threads are hi-jacked by those who feel it
> necessary to flame every post by the opposing side. It saddens me to
> see knowledgeable people from other forums participating in this
> nonsense.
They're called "mission trolls." They can't accomplish what they want
unless they constantly harass the "target" person. It's aimed at harassing
certain people off these groups. They succeeded so far with with Tom, Gail,
Derek, Dick and many more.
> I may be new to the hobby, but most of the people in the aquaria
> newsgroups act as if they are new to Usenet.
Because they have a mission. That mission is to drive "certain" people off
and get others so disgusted they join their private Google group.
> Anyone participating in this ongoing flame war is at fault for ruining
> these groups. Nobody's "cause" is worth the rendering the group
> useless to people interested in the topic.
They feel their cause is indeed worth rendering this group useless.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 08:19:18
From: cailinsdad
Subject: Re: Trolls didn't ruin the group, idiots without self restraint ruined the group
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On Sun, 11 2007 13:24:14 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
<silver_iconREMOVE@THISnerdshack.com > wrote:
>They're called "mission trolls." They can't accomplish what they want
>unless they constantly harass the "target" person. It's aimed at harassing
>certain people off these groups. They succeeded so far with with Tom, Gail,
>Derek, Dick and many more.
But you are part of the problem. You are as capable of ignoring their
posts as they are you.
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 11:06:20
From: Reel McKoi
Subject: Re: Trolls didn't ruin the group, idiots without self restraint ruined the group
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"cailinsdad" <denisendan@nospam.net > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 2007 13:24:14 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
> <silver_iconREMOVE@THISnerdshack.com> wrote:
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>>They're called "mission trolls." They can't accomplish what they want
>>unless they constantly harass the "target" person. It's aimed at harassing
>>certain people off these groups. They succeeded so far with with Tom,
>>Gail,
>>Derek, Dick and many more.
>
> But you are part of the problem. You are as capable of ignoring their
> posts as they are you.
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And THAT is exactly what I plan to do in the future. ;-)
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RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Date: 04 May 2007 17:36:21
From: ~Mr. McDonald~
Subject: Re: Trolls didn't ruin the group, idiots without self restraint ruined the group
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Yes, mission trolls named Gill Passman and Jan JOrdanand Ron Schompert
who hid behind the scenes alkklthese years poking and provoking trolls
and trash all nthe name of getting a new moderated group formed, at
the reputation of ACrol Gulley and others expense.On Mon, 12 2007
11:06:20 -0500, "Reel McKoi" <silver_iconREMOVE@THISnerdshack.com >
wrote:
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<< >>"cailinsdad" <denisendan@nospam.net> wrote in message
<< >>news:7pkav21e5hdq59p63n35q41jkuq9c3uv2s@4ax.com...
<< >>> On Sun, 11 2007 13:24:14 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
<< >>> <silver_iconREMOVE@THISnerdshack.com> wrote:
<< >>>
<< >>>>They're called "mission trolls." They can't accomplish what they want
<< >>>>unless they constantly harass the "target" person. It's aimed at harassing
<< >>>>certain people off these groups. They succeeded so far with with Tom,
<< >>>>Gail,
<< >>>>Derek, Dick and many more.
<< >>>
<< >>> But you are part of the problem. You are as capable of ignoring their
<< >>> posts as they are you.
<< >>======================
<< >>And THAT is exactly what I plan to do in the future. ;-)
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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 14:10:59
From: cailinsdad
Subject: Re: Trolls didn't ruin the group, idiots without self restraint ruined the group
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On Mon, 12 2007 11:06:20 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
<silver_iconREMOVE@THISnerdshack.com > wrote:
>
>"cailinsdad" <denisendan@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:7pkav21e5hdq59p63n35q41jkuq9c3uv2s@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 2007 13:24:14 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
>> <silver_iconREMOVE@THISnerdshack.com> wrote:
>>
>>>They're called "mission trolls." They can't accomplish what they want
>>>unless they constantly harass the "target" person. It's aimed at harassing
>>>certain people off these groups. They succeeded so far with with Tom,
>>>Gail,
>>>Derek, Dick and many more.
>>
>> But you are part of the problem. You are as capable of ignoring their
>> posts as they are you.
>======================
>And THAT is exactly what I plan to do in the future. ;-)
I hope so. As someone who is new to this group and objective, I meant
for my message to strike a chord with those who really want to talk
about their aquariums.
Many of the groups I frequent have lots of off topic posts. But they
tend to be friendly discussions among people who have come to know
each other over years.
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