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Date: 23 Feb 2006 19:27:01
From: Suzie-Q
Subject: How to get the "vacuum" started
How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
your tanks? I've tried the up and down motion suggested on the
box, and I've tried putting my finger over the small hole (where
the crud comes out) until the pump tube is on the bottom of the
tank. Neither has worked for me. So far the only thing I've been
able to do to get the syphoning action started is to suck on the
end of the tube.

Thanks in advance,
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Date: 24 Feb 2006 14:03:22
From: Flash Wilson
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:01 GMT, Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net > wrote:
>How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
>your tanks?

I guess it depends what you are using. I have a tube into a
larger plastic section. I pop my finger over the tube end, then
fill the larger container, lift out so it's vertical, release
my finger slightly so water trickles down into the tube until
it's full, then put the bigger end back into the tank and fill
it again, then position it over the gravel, and take my finger
off the end of the tube over a bucket.

Works fine. Came from a pound shop!



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Date: 24 Feb 2006 05:57:24
From: Mariachi
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
I tried the up down thing and it just stirs the whole tank up and
confuses me. What i do is i fill the vacuum cup w/ water and then with
my finger over the other end of the hose and tip the cup sideways a bit
so the valve opens and water goes down the tube. Generally I have to
fill the vaccum cup and let the water run down the tube once or twice
before there is enough water in the tube. Then i just put the cup in
and make sure there is no air at the top of the cup and let my finger
go at the other end and it start sucking. Occasionally i have to start
over if i am over eager and tried vaccuming too soon.



  
Date: 24 Feb 2006 14:06:32
From: Gill Passman
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
iachi wrote:
> I tried the up down thing and it just stirs the whole tank up and
> confuses me. What i do is i fill the vacuum cup w/ water and then with
> my finger over the other end of the hose and tip the cup sideways a bit
> so the valve opens and water goes down the tube. Generally I have to
> fill the vaccum cup and let the water run down the tube once or twice
> before there is enough water in the tube. Then i just put the cup in
> and make sure there is no air at the top of the cup and let my finger
> go at the other end and it start sucking. Occasionally i have to start
> over if i am over eager and tried vaccuming too soon.
>

I've tried the up/down thing, the filling with water thing - you name it
I've tried it...and every time I go back to the quick and dirty way of
sucking it to get it going...it's quick and not so tiring on the
arms....and makes the water change quicker...

Just one thing that I learnt about sucking the tube to get the water
flowing is not to have the wide end sitting in the substrate or near any
obvious crud - not nice if you get a mouthful. I've pretty much got this
down to a fine art and very rarely end up swallowing any water...yuk

Gill


   
Date: 25 Feb 2006 22:16:42
From: NetMax
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
"Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk > wrote in message
news:43ff125b$0$1168$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> iachi wrote:
>> I tried the up down thing and it just stirs the whole tank up and
>> confuses me. What i do is i fill the vacuum cup w/ water and then with
>> my finger over the other end of the hose and tip the cup sideways a
>> bit
>> so the valve opens and water goes down the tube. Generally I have to
>> fill the vaccum cup and let the water run down the tube once or twice
>> before there is enough water in the tube. Then i just put the cup in
>> and make sure there is no air at the top of the cup and let my finger
>> go at the other end and it start sucking. Occasionally i have to start
>> over if i am over eager and tried vaccuming too soon.
>>
>
> I've tried the up/down thing, the filling with water thing - you name
> it I've tried it...and every time I go back to the quick and dirty way
> of sucking it to get it going...it's quick and not so tiring on the
> arms....and makes the water change quicker...
>
> Just one thing that I learnt about sucking the tube to get the water
> flowing is not to have the wide end sitting in the substrate or near
> any obvious crud - not nice if you get a mouthful. I've pretty much got
> this down to a fine art and very rarely end up swallowing any
> water...yuk
>
> Gill

I have a 'shake to start' gravel vacuum and it works fine, but there is
some technique. Fill the gravel pipe with water. Hold the entire
assembly underwater horizontally. Shake by moving back & forth quickly
horizontally. As soon as the water fills the hose up over the tank, the
siphon starts. Quite clever.

Alternately, I fill my drain line with water from a tap lower than the
tank. Submerge end of hose. Turn off water. Attach gravel vac. GO
back downstairs and disconnect from faucet. This one requires a bit more
walking and I keep clamps at the tanks to hold the hose/gravel vac.

While on the topic, I modified the end of my gravel vacuum by sawing
continuous notches into it. Instead of a smooth flat end, it is like
sharp teeth. This works MUCH better at moving gravel and vacuuming.
--
www.NetMax.tk




    
Date: 26 Feb 2006 06:01:37
From: Mr. Gardener
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:16:42 -0500, "NetMax"
<computeralias@hotmail.com > wrote:

>"Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:43ff125b$0$1168$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>> iachi wrote:
>>> I tried the up down thing and it just stirs the whole tank up and
>>> confuses me. What i do is i fill the vacuum cup w/ water and then with
>>> my finger over the other end of the hose and tip the cup sideways a
>>> bit
>>> so the valve opens and water goes down the tube. Generally I have to
>>> fill the vaccum cup and let the water run down the tube once or twice
>>> before there is enough water in the tube. Then i just put the cup in
>>> and make sure there is no air at the top of the cup and let my finger
>>> go at the other end and it start sucking. Occasionally i have to start
>>> over if i am over eager and tried vaccuming too soon.
>>>
>>
>> I've tried the up/down thing, the filling with water thing - you name
>> it I've tried it...and every time I go back to the quick and dirty way
>> of sucking it to get it going...it's quick and not so tiring on the
>> arms....and makes the water change quicker...
>>
>> Just one thing that I learnt about sucking the tube to get the water
>> flowing is not to have the wide end sitting in the substrate or near
>> any obvious crud - not nice if you get a mouthful. I've pretty much got
>> this down to a fine art and very rarely end up swallowing any
>> water...yuk
>>
>> Gill
>
>I have a 'shake to start' gravel vacuum and it works fine, but there is
>some technique. Fill the gravel pipe with water. Hold the entire
>assembly underwater horizontally. Shake by moving back & forth quickly
>horizontally. As soon as the water fills the hose up over the tank, the
>siphon starts. Quite clever.
>
>Alternately, I fill my drain line with water from a tap lower than the
>tank. Submerge end of hose. Turn off water. Attach gravel vac. GO
>back downstairs and disconnect from faucet. This one requires a bit more
>walking and I keep clamps at the tanks to hold the hose/gravel vac.
>
>While on the topic, I modified the end of my gravel vacuum by sawing
>continuous notches into it. Instead of a smooth flat end, it is like
>sharp teeth. This works MUCH better at moving gravel and vacuuming.

Net Max, is there anything in your world that you haven't modified, or
suggested an alternate design for?

-- Mr Gardener


     
Date: 27 Feb 2006 17:43:50
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
In article <3h23025f4kinpbobjt3tj5urv6m7b4p6bg@4ax.com >,
Mr. Gardener <mrgardener@email.toast.net > wrote:
>Net Max, is there anything in your world that you haven't modified, or
>suggested an alternate design for?

Why do I get the impression his recipe for scrambled eggs
involves a small nuclear reactor?


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Richard Sexton


      
Date: 27 Feb 2006 13:14:26
From: Mr. Gardener
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:43:50 +0000 (UTC), richard@news.vrx.net
(Richard Sexton) wrote:

>In article <3h23025f4kinpbobjt3tj5urv6m7b4p6bg@4ax.com>,
>Mr. Gardener <mrgardener@email.toast.net> wrote:
>>Net Max, is there anything in your world that you haven't modified, or
>>suggested an alternate design for?
>
>Why do I get the impression his recipe for scrambled eggs
>involves a small nuclear reactor?

He probably watched too much Flintstones meet the Jetsons on TV.
Probably still does.

-- Mr Gardener


       
Date: 27 Feb 2006 22:47:51
From: NetMax
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
"Mr. Gardener" <mrgardener@email.toast.net > wrote in message
news:a9g602p13jf7n9n9ukqah7neurmi0avfa4@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:43:50 +0000 (UTC), richard@news.vrx.net
> (Richard Sexton) wrote:
>
>>In article <3h23025f4kinpbobjt3tj5urv6m7b4p6bg@4ax.com>,
>>Mr. Gardener <mrgardener@email.toast.net> wrote:
>>>Net Max, is there anything in your world that you haven't modified, or
>>>suggested an alternate design for?
>>
>>Why do I get the impression his recipe for scrambled eggs
>>involves a small nuclear reactor?
>
> He probably watched too much Flintstones meet the Jetsons on TV.
> Probably still does.
>
> -- Mr Gardener


Go ahead, pick on me. When I grow up (assuming I ever), then I'll be
_watching_ my fishes (while relays chatter in the background doing water
changes) and you guys will still be hauling water and dragging hoses
around. :p
--
www.NetMax.tk




     
Date: 26 Feb 2006 10:44:49
From: NetMax
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
"Mr. Gardener" <mrgardener@email.toast.net > wrote in message
news:3h23025f4kinpbobjt3tj5urv6m7b4p6bg@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:16:42 -0500, "NetMax"
> <computeralias@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:43ff125b$0$1168$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>>> iachi wrote:
>>>> I tried the up down thing and it just stirs the whole tank up and
>>>> confuses me. What i do is i fill the vacuum cup w/ water and then
>>>> with
>>>> my finger over the other end of the hose and tip the cup sideways a
>>>> bit
>>>> so the valve opens and water goes down the tube. Generally I have to
>>>> fill the vaccum cup and let the water run down the tube once or
>>>> twice
>>>> before there is enough water in the tube. Then i just put the cup in
>>>> and make sure there is no air at the top of the cup and let my
>>>> finger
>>>> go at the other end and it start sucking. Occasionally i have to
>>>> start
>>>> over if i am over eager and tried vaccuming too soon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've tried the up/down thing, the filling with water thing - you name
>>> it I've tried it...and every time I go back to the quick and dirty
>>> way
>>> of sucking it to get it going...it's quick and not so tiring on the
>>> arms....and makes the water change quicker...
>>>
>>> Just one thing that I learnt about sucking the tube to get the water
>>> flowing is not to have the wide end sitting in the substrate or near
>>> any obvious crud - not nice if you get a mouthful. I've pretty much
>>> got
>>> this down to a fine art and very rarely end up swallowing any
>>> water...yuk
>>>
>>> Gill
>>
>>I have a 'shake to start' gravel vacuum and it works fine, but there is
>>some technique. Fill the gravel pipe with water. Hold the entire
>>assembly underwater horizontally. Shake by moving back & forth quickly
>>horizontally. As soon as the water fills the hose up over the tank,
>>the
>>siphon starts. Quite clever.
>>
>>Alternately, I fill my drain line with water from a tap lower than the
>>tank. Submerge end of hose. Turn off water. Attach gravel vac. GO
>>back downstairs and disconnect from faucet. This one requires a bit
>>more
>>walking and I keep clamps at the tanks to hold the hose/gravel vac.
>>
>>While on the topic, I modified the end of my gravel vacuum by sawing
>>continuous notches into it. Instead of a smooth flat end, it is like
>>sharp teeth. This works MUCH better at moving gravel and vacuuming.
>
> Net Max, is there anything in your world that you haven't modified, or
> suggested an alternate design for?
>
> -- Mr Gardener

Nope. What's your point? ;~). When installing my Eheim 2213 (many years
ago) I remember thinking that for the very first time, it looked like I
had a high-quality filter which didn't need anything to be modified.
Then I noticed the media basket locking mechanism was deformed from the
moulding process, so I had to get out my utility knife (that was close,
and only later did I add shut-off valves and a custom spray bar).

Actually, I have one of the newer Fluval 304s with the 2-stage handles
which is running in almost 'stock' condition, so maybe I'm getting
complacent ;~).

ps: it's NetMax, not Net Max. A few years ago I dropped the space, and
according to Google, this has saved me 1000s of keystrokes (and with my
wordiness, every bit saved, helps :o).
--
www.NetMax.tk




      
Date: 26 Feb 2006 11:27:02
From: Mr. Gardener
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:44:49 -0500, "NetMax"
<computeralias@hotmail.com > wrote:

>"Mr. Gardener" <mrgardener@email.toast.net> wrote in message
>news:3h23025f4kinpbobjt3tj5urv6m7b4p6bg@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:16:42 -0500, "NetMax"
>> <computeralias@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:43ff125b$0$1168$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>>>> iachi wrote:
>>>>> I tried the up down thing and it just stirs the whole tank up and
>>>>> confuses me. What i do is i fill the vacuum cup w/ water and then
>>>>> with
>>>>> my finger over the other end of the hose and tip the cup sideways a
>>>>> bit
>>>>> so the valve opens and water goes down the tube. Generally I have to
>>>>> fill the vaccum cup and let the water run down the tube once or
>>>>> twice
>>>>> before there is enough water in the tube. Then i just put the cup in
>>>>> and make sure there is no air at the top of the cup and let my
>>>>> finger
>>>>> go at the other end and it start sucking. Occasionally i have to
>>>>> start
>>>>> over if i am over eager and tried vaccuming too soon.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've tried the up/down thing, the filling with water thing - you name
>>>> it I've tried it...and every time I go back to the quick and dirty
>>>> way
>>>> of sucking it to get it going...it's quick and not so tiring on the
>>>> arms....and makes the water change quicker...
>>>>
>>>> Just one thing that I learnt about sucking the tube to get the water
>>>> flowing is not to have the wide end sitting in the substrate or near
>>>> any obvious crud - not nice if you get a mouthful. I've pretty much
>>>> got
>>>> this down to a fine art and very rarely end up swallowing any
>>>> water...yuk
>>>>
>>>> Gill
>>>
>>>I have a 'shake to start' gravel vacuum and it works fine, but there is
>>>some technique. Fill the gravel pipe with water. Hold the entire
>>>assembly underwater horizontally. Shake by moving back & forth quickly
>>>horizontally. As soon as the water fills the hose up over the tank,
>>>the
>>>siphon starts. Quite clever.
>>>
>>>Alternately, I fill my drain line with water from a tap lower than the
>>>tank. Submerge end of hose. Turn off water. Attach gravel vac. GO
>>>back downstairs and disconnect from faucet. This one requires a bit
>>>more
>>>walking and I keep clamps at the tanks to hold the hose/gravel vac.
>>>
>>>While on the topic, I modified the end of my gravel vacuum by sawing
>>>continuous notches into it. Instead of a smooth flat end, it is like
>>>sharp teeth. This works MUCH better at moving gravel and vacuuming.
>>
>> Net Max, is there anything in your world that you haven't modified, or
>> suggested an alternate design for?
>>
>> -- Mr Gardener
>
>Nope. What's your point? ;~). When installing my Eheim 2213 (many years
>ago) I remember thinking that for the very first time, it looked like I
>had a high-quality filter which didn't need anything to be modified.
>Then I noticed the media basket locking mechanism was deformed from the
>moulding process, so I had to get out my utility knife (that was close,
>and only later did I add shut-off valves and a custom spray bar).
>
>Actually, I have one of the newer Fluval 304s with the 2-stage handles
>which is running in almost 'stock' condition, so maybe I'm getting
>complacent ;~).
>
>ps: it's NetMax, not Net Max. A few years ago I dropped the space, and
>according to Google, this has saved me 1000s of keystrokes (and with my
>wordiness, every bit saved, helps :o).

So why did your parents name you NetMax.

-- Mr Gardener


       
Date: 26 Feb 2006 19:02:38
From: Marco Schwarz
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
Hi..

> So why did your parents name you NetMax.

Had to do six mouse scrolls to reach the bottom. What would
I do if I had arthritis? ;-)
--
cu
co




        
Date: 26 Feb 2006 14:21:45
From: Steve
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
co Schwarz wrote:

> Had to do six mouse scrolls to reach the bottom. What would
> I do if I had arthritis? ;-)

The Mozilla Thunderbird mail/ news tool has a vertical scroll bar in the
lower (message) window. No problem!
Steve


         
Date: 26 Feb 2006 20:25:47
From: Gill Passman
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
Steve wrote:
> co Schwarz wrote:
>
>> Had to do six mouse scrolls to reach the bottom. What would
>> I do if I had arthritis? ;-)
>
>
> The Mozilla Thunderbird mail/ news tool has a vertical scroll bar in the
> lower (message) window. No problem!
> Steve

Took 4 scrolls for me with Thunderbird...but I actually like getting the
context as well - but then I'm not on dial up...

Gill


          
Date: 27 Feb 2006 17:45:51
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
In article <44020ec7$0$1173$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk >,
Gill Passman <gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk > wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>> co Schwarz wrote:
>>
>>> Had to do six mouse scrolls to reach the bottom. What would
>>> I do if I had arthritis? ;-)
>>
>>
>> The Mozilla Thunderbird mail/ news tool has a vertical scroll bar in the
>> lower (message) window. No problem!
>> Steve
>
>Took 4 scrolls for me with Thunderbird...but I actually like getting the
>context as well - but then I'm not on dial up...

I am. There's no other option where I live. And I use a text only newsreader
on a unix server (trn). If you folks could trim included material to within
an inch of its life leaving just enough to provide context that would
really make it easier.

--
Need Mercedes parts ? - http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton


           
Date: 27 Feb 2006 13:09:46
From: Mr. Gardener
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:45:51 +0000 (UTC), richard@news.vrx.net
(Richard Sexton) wrote:

>In article <44020ec7$0$1173$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
>Gill Passman <gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk> wrote:
>>Steve wrote:
>>> co Schwarz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Had to do six mouse scrolls to reach the bottom. What would
>>>> I do if I had arthritis? ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> The Mozilla Thunderbird mail/ news tool has a vertical scroll bar in the
>>> lower (message) window. No problem!
>>> Steve
>>
>>Took 4 scrolls for me with Thunderbird...but I actually like getting the
>>context as well - but then I'm not on dial up...
>
>I am. There's no other option where I live. And I use a text only newsreader
>on a unix server (trn). If you folks could trim included material to within
>an inch of its life leaving just enough to provide context that would
>really make it easier.

I'm on dialup on and off, I just download all the messages and bodies
and read them off line. Not an option for you?

-- Mr Gardener


            
Date: 27 Feb 2006 19:05:18
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
In article <k1g602t7bmu69rf39lure4jtfa96gdj9i2@4ax.com >,
Mr. Gardener <mrgardener@email.toast.net > wrote:
>
>I'm on dialup on and off, I just download all the messages and bodies
>and read them off line. Not an option for you?

Nope. I read news from a unix shell via NNTP to a German newsspool. This
makes killfiling impractical too BTW. But it's faster than doing it
any other way.


--
Need Mercedes parts ? - http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton


          
Date: 26 Feb 2006 15:58:35
From: Mr. Gardener
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:25:47 +0000, Gill Passman
<gillnospamat@taylorpassman.co.uk > wrote:

>Steve wrote:
>> co Schwarz wrote:
>>
>>> Had to do six mouse scrolls to reach the bottom. What would
>>> I do if I had arthritis? ;-)
>>
>>
>> The Mozilla Thunderbird mail/ news tool has a vertical scroll bar in the
>> lower (message) window. No problem!
>> Steve
>
>Took 4 scrolls for me with Thunderbird...but I actually like getting the
>context as well - but then I'm not on dial up...
>
>Gill

I have severe arthritis. Scrolling is my physical therapy.

-- Mr Gardener


   
Date: 24 Feb 2006 23:30:31
From: Eric
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:06:32 -0600, Gill Passman wrote
(in article <43ff125b$0$1168$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk >):

>
> Just one thing that I learnt about sucking the tube to get the water
> flowing is not to have the wide end sitting in the substrate or near any
> obvious crud - not nice if you get a mouthful. I've pretty much got this
> down to a fine art and very rarely end up swallowing any water...yuk


And if you're not willing to risk a little tank water in the mouth you're not
a true fishkeeper anyway.

-E



 
Date: 24 Feb 2006 05:09:58
From: Dick
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:01 GMT, Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net >
wrote:

>How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
>your tanks? I've tried the up and down motion suggested on the
>box, and I've tried putting my finger over the small hole (where
>the crud comes out) until the pump tube is on the bottom of the
>tank. Neither has worked for me. So far the only thing I've been
>able to do to get the syphoning action started is to suck on the
>end of the tube.
>
>Thanks in advance,

Fill the tube with water from your sink. Cover the bottom with your
thumb and aim it into the bucket, then covering the top of the tube
with your other thumb, insert into the tank. Take both thumbs off
making sure the bottom stays in the bucket.

If you have a syphon that has a large plastic tube that goes into the
tank, I have found a way to start it at the tank. I lost a piece that
was to act as a valve during the up and down motion.

With the small end in the bucket, put the large end down under the
water. Push the part of the large tube connected to the smaller
tubing down while keeping the open end under water. Once the large
tube is full of tank water, lift the open end up until you see water
if flowing into the smaller tube, then quickly move the open end under
the water.

This requires practice to get enough water flowing in the smaller
tubing without getting too much air into the large tube, but I have
gotten pretty good at it.

dick


  
Date: 24 Feb 2006 07:12:08
From: Mr. Gardener
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:09:58 -0600, Dick <remdickhm@sbcglobal.net >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:01 GMT, Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
>>your tanks? I've tried the up and down motion suggested on the
>>box, and I've tried putting my finger over the small hole (where
>>the crud comes out) until the pump tube is on the bottom of the
>>tank. Neither has worked for me. So far the only thing I've been
>>able to do to get the syphoning action started is to suck on the
>>end of the tube.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>
>Fill the tube with water from your sink. Cover the bottom with your
>thumb and aim it into the bucket, then covering the top of the tube
>with your other thumb, insert into the tank. Take both thumbs off
>making sure the bottom stays in the bucket.
>
>If you have a syphon that has a large plastic tube that goes into the
>tank, I have found a way to start it at the tank. I lost a piece that
>was to act as a valve during the up and down motion.
>
>With the small end in the bucket, put the large end down under the
>water. Push the part of the large tube connected to the smaller
>tubing down while keeping the open end under water. Once the large
>tube is full of tank water, lift the open end up until you see water
>if flowing into the smaller tube, then quickly move the open end under
>the water.
>
>This requires practice to get enough water flowing in the smaller
>tubing without getting too much air into the large tube, but I have
>gotten pretty good at it.
>
>dick

I bought a gravel vacuum a couple of days ago, just in time for this
thread. It's the standard six foot hose with the distended business
end. I got it for one tank that is too low for the (homemade) python
to do an effective job. There were instructions for self starting this
new vacuum, so for the first time in my life, I decided to try. I
followed the directions step by step and got more and more frustrated.
My wife came into the room and watched my plunging this thing up and
down in the aquarium for a couple of minutes and then asked me what I
was doing. I explained to her, and she said, "sucking on it is a lot
easier."

She's right. I'll stick to the old technology for this task.

-- Mr Gardener


 
Date: 23 Feb 2006 12:42:17
From: JoeA789@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
Like most others, I too suck a little air from the tube. Just enough
to get the water over the top of the tank and a little bit below the
water line. As long as your end is low, the water will flow. Quickly
too.

IF you're nervous about sucking in dirty water, (I've spat on my rug a
couple times!!), or putting your mouth on the tube, just hold the tube
in your fist and suck into the fist, that'll work too.

I've also dipped the tube well into the water, then holding the other
end closed, I pull the hose almost out of the tank, leaving the end
just a little bit below the water line. then release the output end
and it will flow. It all boils down to just getting a bit of water out
and below the water line, from there on, it's simple.



 
Date: 23 Feb 2006 15:20:50
From: Mr. Gardener
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:01 GMT, Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net >
wrote:

>How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
>your tanks? I've tried the up and down motion suggested on the
>box, and I've tried putting my finger over the small hole (where
>the crud comes out) until the pump tube is on the bottom of the
>tank. Neither has worked for me. So far the only thing I've been
>able to do to get the syphoning action started is to suck on the
>end of the tube.
>
>Thanks in advance,

Suck it. As with any of life's challenges, when there seems no other
way, suck it.

-- Mr Gardener


 
Date: 23 Feb 2006 19:45:56
From: Richard Sexton
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
In article <sme617x-9789D6.13270123022006@news.west.earthlink.net >,
Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net > wrote:
>How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
>your tanks? I've tried the up and down motion suggested on the
>box, and I've tried putting my finger over the small hole (where
>the crud comes out) until the pump tube is on the bottom of the
>tank. Neither has worked for me. So far the only thing I've been
>able to do to get the syphoning action started is to suck on the
>end of the tube.

I use a 9' hose and what can work is to put the whole hose in the
tank, then put yout thumbs over both ends leaving one end in the
tank and another down into the bucket; take your thumb of the
bucket end and it'll start.

You need a python. They're so so so much easier.

--
Need Mercedes parts ? - http://parts.mbz.org
Richard Sexton


 
Date: 23 Feb 2006 13:43:11
From: dc
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net > wrote in news:sme617x-9789D6.13270123022006
@news.west.earthlink.net:

> How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
> your tanks? I've tried the up and down motion suggested on the

I just suck on the tube for my own tanks; it's still the fastest and
easiest way, but there are other methods that work. After a bit of
practice you should be able to learn exactly how much water you need to
suck before the siphon starts to flow.

If your tank or bucket is large enough you can submerge the whole hose in
water to get the air out, then block one of the tube while you transfer it
to the bucket or tank. The siphon will start provided you release the end
of the hose with the out end low enough beyond the water line of the tank
and don't get too much air in the hose.

You can also use the vacuum tube to get it started by submerging a part of
the tube in the aquarium, then inverting the vacuum under water and lifting
it straight up so it temporarily holds water like a cup. The water should
start running once you raise the vacuum high enough above the next highest
point in the hose. If you quickly re-submerge it once water has starting
to flow out of the vacuum tube, the siphon should start. Just make sure
you've already placed the out end in the bucket or drain. I've seen co-op
students empty 30 gallons of sludge water onto the warehouse floor before
realizing what they've done. ;D


  
Date: 23 Feb 2006 22:32:46
From: Gail Futoran
Subject: Re: How to get the "vacuum" started
"dc" <jdoe@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:Xns977395BCAF71jdoehotmailcom@216.196.97.131...
> Suzie-Q <sme617x@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:sme617x-9789D6.13270123022006
> @news.west.earthlink.net:
>
>> How do you folks get the vacuum tube started when you vacuum
>> your tanks? I've tried the up and down motion suggested on the
>
> I just suck on the tube for my own tanks; it's still the fastest and
> easiest way, but there are other methods that work. After a bit of
> practice you should be able to learn exactly how much water you need to
> suck before the siphon starts to flow.
>
> If your tank or bucket is large enough you can submerge the whole hose in
> water to get the air out, then block one of the tube while you transfer it
> to the bucket or tank. The siphon will start provided you release the end
> of the hose with the out end low enough beyond the water line of the tank
> and don't get too much air in the hose.

The following is the method I use for all my
tanks, even the 10 gallon that was temporarily
housed at floor level. Water didn't run out
quite as fast as the tanks on stands, but it
worked. No sucking needed.

> You can also use the vacuum tube to get it started by submerging a part of
> the tube in the aquarium, then inverting the vacuum under water and
> lifting
> it straight up so it temporarily holds water like a cup. The water should
> start running once you raise the vacuum high enough above the next highest
> point in the hose. If you quickly re-submerge it once water has starting
> to flow out of the vacuum tube, the siphon should start. Just make sure
> you've already placed the out end in the bucket or drain. I've seen co-op
> students empty 30 gallons of sludge water onto the warehouse floor before
> realizing what they've done. ;D

I bought a gadget that you put the end of the
hose in and clamp down (gently). It sticks on
a bucket edge. That keeps the hose end
from accidentally coming out of the bucket
and putting water all over the floor. Don't
recall where I got the gadget, though. :(

Gail